The first ERISP and the walkthrough
31 During the evening of 15 September 2003 Detective Senior Constable Mark Frearson and Sergeant Woodward conducted an ERISP with the appellant, who gave his version of events. The transcript of the ERISP was Exhibit Q.
"A 65: … I actually woke up about 6:00 something, my girlfriend called me ... I had a shower and everything and then I went back to bed. [The second time] I, I don't know when exactly this was but I heard, I heard, like the TV was on loud outside and I, I heard, I thought I heard like something drop, I thought it was nothing because nothing, I didn't hear anything after that, and so I went back to bed, I didn't even open my door.
A 66: … I woke up like for the third, third time I guess today when I heard what I thought was the sound of some sort of commotion, I was half asleep and the TV was on as well so I had no idea what actually was goin' on, and just about getting out of bed when I heard somebody rush past my door, bump along the thing and, and, and I, I think it was Tony, I think he was, I think he screamed help but I'm not exactly sure. A couple of moments, a while later I, I hear what the, the sound of something metal being hit against something and that went, went on for quite, for, for some time and after that it was just quite [sic]. At that point I, I would, I, I chose not to go out, I chose not to go out, and I locked my room door from the inside and I pulled my old cabinet and barricaded myself inside. When I could find my phone I, for some reason I couldn't find my phone, I found my phone, I called, called triple 0, and the lady, they, she was asking me questions ... there was no more sound from outside, I thought OK, OK, now might be a good time, a good time -
A 67: - to have a look. I pushed the cabinet thing aside, unlocked my door, had a quick outside [sic], closed the door again, there was, I saw Tony, my friend, laying on the right hand side from my room near the door and there was blood around him ... I went outside, I, the baseball bat and knife were there so I grabbed the baseball bat and, and just put it in front of me and went down to the, to the living room, there was nobody there either .
A 68: At that point I hadn't seen my friend Tay 'cause there's, there's like a couch in the living room, the TV was still on and it was real loud, and the couch was there and I saw that the, I saw that the back door was open so I, I thought there might be somebody there so I, so I took the, took, I had the baseball bat, I went, I went back and grabbed the knife and, you know, holding them both I went towards the back, it was, that's when I saw Tay, he was lying behind the couch and was covered in, covered in blood too. And nobody outside near the back so I locked the door ... and went back to my room and the lady on, the emergency operator she, she said, yeah, should like check, check to see if, if they're breathing you know, like try to give them CPR and I went back outside and saw Tony was like, like froth and all this his mouth and, and I checked for his pulse and I tried to shake, shake him, and like there was no response at all. And I went to Tay and did the same thing, there was no response either, he didn't have a pulse.
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Q 193: Did you work last night or anything or studying last night?
A 193: I was like, what's today Sunday, working, was it Sunday? I was working, yeah, I was working yesterday, I was working till 5:00 pm Cranbrook Carnivale.
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Q 310: ... So you last saw, at 9:30 last night, or 10 past 9:00 you last saw Tony, around 10 past 9:00?
A 310: Mmm mmm.
Q 311: And then at 9:30 you last saw Tay. How were they when they went to bed, they were fine?
A 311: I went to bed first so I don't know how Tay, Tay was, everybody was OK …
A 312: … I went 'cause I was tired, working since like, what time did I start work? I started work at halfpast 8:00, so I got up at like 7:00 in the morning.
Q 313: Yes ... did you hear, did you go to sleep straight away?
A 313: Yeah I was really tired 'cause working the day before as well.
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Q 316: And you said you woke at 6:00 am.
A 316: 6:20, around 6:00, 6:20.
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A 399: ... Get up, get out of bed, walk out here, OK, take a piss, something like that, go in the kitchen, make breakfast, go back to my room and then, yeah, after breakfast put my stuff in there, wash it up, went had, brushed my teeth, had a shower, went back in.
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Q 401: What have you done with [a previous flatmate] Vincent's room since he moved out?
A 401: I had a friend who wanted to move in but then nothing came of it, so right now is the three of us covering for, for, for the rooms.
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Q 424: OK So you were up for about how long?
A 424: I think about an hour.
A 425: After I went back outside and put my towel out to dry and then I went back.
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Q 432: How [long] do you think before you went to sleep?
A 432: Half an hour [cf. A 435: About an hour plus].
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Q 444: And then you told me earlier, at, when I first spoke to you, you told me you heard the sound of something falling.
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A 445: I heard something fall, I don 't know what, what it was, I heard it fall, and I thought OK, yeah, then got up for a while, then nothing else happened, the TV's on, I thought somebody must have dropped something. I went straight back to bed.
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Q 451: OK And then you don't know what time it was about then?
A 451: … maybe around 8:00.
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Q 453: And then you, you say woke up a third time you heard a sound.
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A 454: OK Lying in bed and I heard this really loud, a real loud, something, like something big had fallen down. I thought what the hell is this? And I heard some metal thing, I thought someone was picking something up, I thought I may as well go and look just in case somebody smashed the TV, but the TV was still on, so I thought OK I got out of bed, I was just, just putting away my stuff, 'cause all my clothes were on my bed as usual, but after a while hear somebody run past my room, at that point I was just by my wardrobe putting in my contact lenses, and I hear somebody run past my room and I think it was Tony, I think, I think I, I'm pretty sure he shouted for help. I know it's, people ran towards the front entrance end and I heard, I heard the metal sound like a couple of times, I knew something was wrong.
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A 501: ... if there were two people or three people, I couldn't tell at that point.
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A 528: [After it was quiet for 5 minutes] Well, I took the cabinet away, pushed it away from the door, I opened the door, like had a quick peak outside and closed it again ...
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A 535: And I, I look over there [into the living room] but, and I don't see anything over here at this point, I turned right and I see Tony, Tony was like his legs were out in front of him and he was like just slumped against this wall, against this wall here.
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A 541: ... I went to go in the bed and started looking for my phone. And I found my phone and that's when I called triple O.
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Q 558: OK. And you saw the knife and the bat from your door?
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A 559: I don't know how they were lying but I know they were right like beside him.
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A 596: The lady says ... Do you know if, if they're still, they're still breathing? ... After I spoke with her and I realised everything was quiet outside I took another look, went straight for this and grabbed the knife and the baseball bat ... and, and I just made sure nobody was here and then went back and I locked the [back] door, was locking the door and that's when I found Tay on this side.
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A 632: ... went up to Tony and when, when I got, when I got to him like went down on my knees and I, I was just like, I think I put the knife down that I had, like the baseball bat's still in my hands, and like I didn't want to face him entirely so I was like sitting this way so I could look down the corridor as well, and I had the baseball bat still in my hands.
A 633: And like I, I, I wanted to check to see if there was a pulse so I put my hand like on his neck to check for his carotid pulse ...
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A 678: ... There was, there was no pulse ... There was definitely no pulse ...
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A 680: ... and put my hand up to his, to his nose to see if I could see him breathing because I put my hand on his chest and there was no breathing.
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A 893: ... I noticed like froth like from I think like, like the blood was falling out of [Tony's] nose and air too and it's just frothed it up, the entire thing there. I didn't, I just noticed really, just really, really almost black red really thick, thick blood there.
32 A walkthrough was also conducted with the appellant during which the following exchange occurred:
"Q: OK. That's fine. OK You've picked up the bat and the knife. Now, you're on the phone?
A: That's right.
Q: Which hand are you holding the phone in?
A: I think it was the same hand as the knife.
Q: OK. So you've got the phone in your hand with the knife. OK. You were still talking on the phone?
A: There was times I was talking and there was times I wasn't ... And this, this, like I said, I thought I'd missed out certain things the other day when I speaking to …, like, when I was, I was right beside [Tony] ... Like, a spurt of blood came out of his nose and mouth ... And he's spasmed.
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A: But I was actually leaning down beside him ... That's when I saw the blood sort of spasm ... And blood came out the front.
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Q: Now, just to clarify, you said that blood came out of his nose. Now, was -
A: It was just, like, it was like froth ... And, and he sort of spasmed ... And that made me take a step back."