"Surely a reasonable person would be guided by their medical advisers.
COUNSEL: Well, not in the sense of - - -
JUDGE: Quite reasonable people do.
COUNSEL: Not in the sense of, 'Whatever recommendation the medical practitioner makes, I will go along with.'
JUDGE: Are you suggesting to me that if a woman is told, 'Given the situation we're in now, I recommend this,' that the reasonably patient says, 'Well, I want that.' That would be an indicator of unreasonableness, I would have thought.
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COUNSEL: The conversation needs to involve more than a medical practitioner simply saying, 'My recommendation is X.'
JUDGE: But in the end that's what it has got to come down to. A medical practitioner can't say, 'Well, there's 25 factors here and there's 38 factors there, here's a 20 cent coin, toss it up and see what comes down.' The patient says, 'Well, what do you think?' and when the medical practitioner says what they think, the patient, if they're reasonable, says, 'Right.' That's what reasonable people do. If I go to the garage with my car and I have selected a competent and honest garage man and I ask him what's wrong with the engine and he says, 'Well, you can't take it any further because it will break down,' I don't say, 'Well, that's bad, I'm going to drive across the Nullarbor.' I say, 'Well, fix it.'
COUNSEL: Your Honour, with respect, the comments you have just made are not in keeping with Roger v Whitaker.
JUDGE: Well, you have said that but I just don't know that's true.
COUNSEL: In Rogers v Whitaker - - -
JUDGE: But we're not talking about a case in advance of the treatment. We're not talking about a woman who has been - Rogers v Whitaker isn't about people who have been hours in labour and who are on the point of giving birth to a very large baby.
COUNSEL: Your Honour, I would submit that the principle is the same; that it is a matter of what the patient would do. The patient has a right - - -
JUDGE: You're asking me to accept that if there had been a debate about the various medical factors one way or another and the doctor did - whether or not the doctor did or didn't make a recommendation, that at that point the plaintiff would have said, 'I want a vaginal delivery'.
COUNSEL: A caesarean section you mean?
JUDGE: A caesarean section, regardless of the medical advice she got."