HER HONOUR: [Counsel for the accused], you have something to raise.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: There is, Your Honour. When the informant gives evidence this morning I'd been intending to ask of her whether or not Mr Saw Wah had prior convictions. He has a matter, Your Honour, at Werribee Magistrate's on 16 March of 2011. I've got a LEAP extract of it but they were four charges; careless driving of a motor vehicle, failing to stop a vehicle after an accident, failing to report to police, owner not present and exceeding the prescribed concentration of alcohol. It doesn't reveal when the offence date is from the document that I have.
HER HONOUR: Yes.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: I had raised with Your Honour at the start of the trial what would be the case if character evidence was called as in witnesses called to attest to his good reputation. That's not something that the defence will be doing, but I did intend to lead from the informant that, from my reading this must be a subsequent because the offending is at the end of 09 into 2010, that he had no prior convictions. I wanted to raise it, Your Honour, as to determine whether, if I did do that, my friend would be permitted to adduce evidence of the conviction on 16 March of 2011 for the drink-driving and other driving matters. Perhaps before I finish, Your Honour - - -
HER HONOUR: I've just been having a look at the law on character evidence. You're entitled to adduce evidence of good character - under the common law it wasn't admissible, now it is under the Evidence Act as I understand it - and if then you were wanting to ask the informant as at the time that the offences were said to have been committed he had no prior convictions.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: What I hope to do, Your Honour, would be firstly determine in discussions with the informant that if I simply ask the question, does he have prior convictions, relying on, if you like, the legal definition of prior convictions, that this would appear to be a matter that the conviction postdates the date of the alleged offending here, that was simply all that I would ask. I wasn't going to ask Your Honour on that basis to give a direction to the jury about good character and I wasn't going to mention good character in the close. Simply the fact that 'you've heard evidence that he has no prior convictions. My concern, Your Honour, I guess, is perhaps slightly heightened given that [C's mother] in an answer yesterday, Your Honour, and nothing was made of the comment, I think made a comment at one point that she thought Mr Saw Wah was drunk. I intended to say nothing about that and hoped that nobody else would say anything about that and the jury's mind wouldn't be brought to it. But if there's evidence then before the jury of this drink-driving matter then that might take a greater significance than perhaps it would otherwise. There's been no suggestion by - - -
HER HONOUR: The point of leading evidence of no prior convictions or any character evidence, I suppose, in the words that I've been looking at it, it goes to a person's inherent moral character, I think is one of the expressions that's used. The 'exceed PCA', yes, I understood was - sorry, the exceed prescribed concentration of alcohol in circumstances where [C's mother] talked about him being affected by alcohol on one occasion would be a cause for concern, I would have thought, and you don't want anything said about that. But what you're wanting to do anyway at this stage is see what the informant would be prepared to say in that regard.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: And if the informant would say, 'Look, all right, if you ask me I'll say he has no prior convictions', whether my friend in re-examination would be permitted to ask the informant had there been a subsequent, is there a subsequent conviction, and then adduce evidence of the drink-driving and driving offences.
HER HONOUR: There's no suggestion that on the occasion of the alleged offending he has been affected by alcohol.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: No. The effect of - - -
HER HONOUR: But it is slightly misleading because really without a direction from me you're wanting to convey to the jury that he's a man who has no prior convictions, no blemish against his name, and you can use his good character, even though you're not getting a direction, you don't seek a direction, but you can use his good character to assess the unlikelihood or to go to the unlikelihood of him committing these offences.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: Yes. Perhaps maybe I could suggest a compromise, that the convictions in March of 2011, perhaps I could put to the informant that other than being convicted for driving offences in March of 2011 he otherwise has no prior convictions, and then it perhaps doesn't go quite to the point of there being the exceeding prescribed concentration of alcohol and avoid the risk of perhaps the evidence of [C's mother] being given greater significance than it would otherwise, and would, without giving the jury the full story, convey that he's been in front of the courts once for driving matters and not for other matters.
HER HONOUR: I'll hear from the learned prosecutor.
PROSECUTOR: Your Honour, on the [C's mother'] evidence, when she let slip there was an occasion where she thought he was affected by alcoholism, I didn't intend to pursue that.
HER HONOUR: No.
PROSECUTOR: Obviously, I know the accused man intends to give evidence, and if something is said that opens that up, so be it, but I don't intend to pursue it. However, if my friend asks the informant about priors, that can only be relevant to the issue of character, and if he goes there this is opened up. And I'm not satisfied with the compromise, Your Honour, driving offences, this is bad driving offences, this is leaving the scene of an accident, failing to report an accident and being intoxicated behind the wheel. So 'driving offences' doesn't capture the flavour of this offending. So I suggest that we go nowhere near this, Your Honour. But if my friend wants to open up his priors, I can take the informant to this and I want to take the informant to the character of this offending.
HER HONOUR: All right. Yes. I think if you did go there - you've heard the learned prosecutor.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: Yes.
HER HONOUR: She will go there too, and it does open it up I would have thought. Even though at the end of the day I'm not sure how relevant that sort of evidence is to the likelihood of him committing the offences in question.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: Yes.
HER HONOUR: But it sounds to me..., like you would be opening a can of worms that would do more harm than good.
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: Maybe one thing that could be clarified before I decide whether or not to ask the informant, that is whether the informant is aware of the circumstances of the offending. I don't know whether she is or not. I did ask yesterday by email for the LEAP records and this is what came back. I don't know if there is a summary that's been obtained that might set out exactly what happened. But maybe - - -
HER HONOUR: Well, look, I'll stand down. Is that - - -
COUNSEL FOR THE ACCUSED: Just before you do, Your Honour, just so that I'm clear on what Your Honour is indicating, if I was to ask the informant either does Mr Saw Wah have any prior convictions or framing the question other than convictions for driving matters in March of 2011, that Your Honour would permit my friend to ask the informant in re-examination, 'Are you aware of the details of the charges that were at Werribee court on that date?' - - -
HER HONOUR: Yes, I would be minded..., if the Crown wish to take that course, because you're trying to convey that there is no conviction against your client's name where the situation is other than that. If you're raising good character, then the Crown would be entitled to re-examine about that aspect. [emphasis added]