Cross-examination of the appellant
27 A significant part of the Crown prosecutor's cross-examination of the appellant was directed to the appropriateness of attempting to hypnotise young girls without the knowledge of their parents and the appropriateness of accepting the assurances of girls under the age of 15 that they were permitted to watch 15+ movies. It was put to the appellant that he did not tell the complainant's mother that he was going to hypnotise her daughter. He was asked about his training in hypnosis which he described and asked whether hypnosis reduced the subject's inhibitions. He was asked why he had taken a course in hypnotherapy. He was asked about the ethical aspects of using hypnosis. He was asked whether he had obtained the consent to hypnotise another girl who had been a guest at his house on the previous occasion when the complainant stayed overnight. He was asked why he called it a game. He was asked about a subsequent occasion when he had hypnotised someone and said that he had not done it since. The appellant said that this was at the request of his ex-wife: "sometime round September/October that year, she said that she'd prefer the girls, because the girls were going home and telling her and I was telling her what was going on, she said that she'd prefer it not to happen." According to the appellant he said "fine it won't happen anymore" and it didn't. The cross-examination continued:
"Q. So you stopped only - you stopped because of the request of your ex-wife Helen? A. Yes.
Q. Because she became aware of what you were doing? A. No she knew what I was doing, but she said that it probably wasn't appropriate all of the time and I - and looking, as I said, hindsight at the time I agreed and said 'Yes, okay, it won't continue.'
Q. Do you also say that you told [the complainant's mother] the next day that you had hypnotised? A. Yes I believe I give an account when I drop any child back as to what they've been doing the previous day. Foods they've eaten either in case there's any problems with food poisoning or something like that or maybe I've given them something that they shouldn't have had.
Q. Did you tell her that she'd been given a jellybean under hypnosis? A. I don't believe I was specific no, I did say that we had played hypnotic games and they barked like dogs or spoke like an alien or whatever, as some examples.
Q. Do I take it [the complainant's mother] said 'That's fine, hypnotise my daughter all you like.' Words to that effect? A. I don't recall, but at the time she didn't seem concerned. I don't recall her words.
Q. You didn't ask her at that time is it okay if I continue to hypnotise her? A. I don't recall at that time she told me not to either.
Q. That's what they teach in the course when you get consent is it, that you just don't have to make sure whether you've got consent or not? A. No, I didn't say that either.
Q. Because you certainly were prepared to do it again on the second occasion weren't you? A. If it had of been at the request of the children, yes."
28 A little later the Crown prosecutor questioned the appellant about hiring the video films on the night in question. The appellant was asked whether he vetted Deuce Bigalow before agreeing to hire it and why he did not insist that the children watch another video film instead of the 15+ video film. He said he did so because his children on request said they had seen it before, that their mother had allowed them to see it and that even though it said sexual references there was not really anything that was wrong with it. It was put to him that simply because the children told him that they had seen it before he was prepared to let them see the movie again. The appellant said his children told him that their mother had let them see it so he took his ex-wife's judgment as being correct. He was then asked about the complainant and his concerns about whether she should be watching the film. The cross-examination continued:
"Q. Did you have a mobile phone on you at the time? A. September, yes I probably would have.
Q. All right, why didn't you ring up her mother and ask her? A. Because it was M rated and the children had said that they had already seen it under the consent of their mother I didn't believe it was a big issue.
Q. I'm talking about [the complainant] not Rebecca? A. Yes, I believe because two children, my two daughters had already seen it I didn't believe it was a large enough issue to ring a parent to say 'Can they see this video?'
Q. Like the hypnosis, you didn't feel the need to directly get [the complainant's mother's] consent for [the complainant] to see an M movie, a 15+ movie? A. No.
Q. Could have been easily done? A. I suppose looking back, yes.
Q. You were concerned enough to ask her those questions weren't you? A. Yes.
Q. Isn't it the situation that you're just making up this version about taking the girls down to the video store and asking those questions and saying [the complainant] asked you or you asked [the complainant] questions about what sort of movie you want, to cover for the questions you asked her in the bedroom that night? A. No.
Q. You asked an eleven year old whether she saw R rated films is that right? A. Correct.
Q. Was that with a view to seeing if she was going to watch, if you were going to hire an R rate film for them? A. No with Total Recall there's actually two movies that you can hire out on that, one's an MA and one's an R rated and I wanted to make sure that if the girls did happen to put that movie in to watch they weren't going to watch something that wasn't adequate or that they hadn't been exposed to before.
Q. You seriously tell the Court that you felt that you had to ask an eleven year old whether it was - her Mum said it was okay to watch R rated movies, is that right? A. I believe the discussions came up about what type of ratings that she was allowed to watch. I don't recall the question exactly, but it came up in conversation as to the ratings that she was allowed to watch.
Q. So if she had said 'Yes, Mum lets me watch R rated movies' you would have happily let her watch an R rated movie is that right? A. Again it would have been a concern as to which movie that was chosen, if it was a movie with just violence or shooting or something like that, I don't believe I would have had a major concern. But I wouldn't have allowed a movie of any sexual, explicit scenes or anything like that to be shown or hired.
Q. Sorry, I'm not quite sure if that answers the question. Were you prepared, if [the complainant] had said 'Yes, Mum let's me watch R rated movies.' to let her see an R rated movie? A. I don't believe I would have let her watch one, no.
Q. Well why ask her? A. Just see what level that she was allowed to watch and whether or not an MA was okay.
Q. But you still didn't think it was necessary, even though you're talking about R films, R videos to ring up her mother and confirm what she was allowed to watch? A. No because we never hired any R rated videos on that particular night, so therefore there was no chance for her to see one anyway.
Q. Now you said that you didn't watch any video in its entirety, is that right? A. That's correct.
Q. I assume you watched some of the video at some stage? A. Yes I did.
Q. Which video was that? A. Deuce Bigalow.
Q. And what time did they start watching that do you remember? A. No I don't, it was late in the evening.
Q. Well did they watch the whole thing? A. I believe they did. I was again busy in the kitchen cooking and whatever else.
Q. Well did they have dinner before they started watching the video? A. I believe they ate their tea in the lounge room, so they could have actually had tea while they were watching the video."
29 The cross-examination to which I have referred was directed to credit. The complainant's account that the video films had been at the appellant's home when she arrived there was inconsistent with the appellant's account that he had gone with the girls to obtain the video films. The appellant's evidence included the discussion about whether or not she was allowed to see "MA or R rated video films" and his concerns about what her mother would allow her to watch. It was, of course, entirely appropriate for the appellant to be cross-examined about these matters.
30 There was also a factual issue about what happened during the hypnotism games on the first occasion the complainant went to the appellant's house and in particular whether she had been given a lolly or a jellybean. Again, the Crown prosecutor could test the appellant's account of this occasion.
31 The purpose of cross-examination as to credit is to show that a witness ought not to be believed on his or her oath. In Wren v Emmett Contractors Pty Ltd (1969) 43 ALJR 213 at 220-221 Windeyer J discussed the nature of questions which go only to credit. His Honour said at 221:
"Questions asked of a witness about his conduct in some matter merely collateral to facts in issue are permitted if they go to his credit. That is not because conduct on which he is thus questioned is alleged not to redound to his credit. It is because, if what is insinuated is admitted by him, that may suggest that he is not a man to be believed upon his oath. It is not that he is said to be a discreditable person: it is that, because of this, his testimony may be incredible. When lawyers speak of conduct or character as going to the credit of a witness, they use the word 'credit' in relation to credibility, his veracity, not in the sense of his worthiness."