As to the first matter , the appellant gave a deal of evidence, but the most striking feature of it was, in my opinion, the appellant's clear and consistent denial that he had seen any stabbing of Mr. Burton. The following extracts from the appellant's cross-examination will give a fair overall picture of the substance of that evidence:
"COUNSEL (INGRAM): Q. I would ask you to concentrate your mind back to the night that you were at the General Bourke Hotel, as you say you were. You went outside and you saw something happen outside, involving the man Mr. Burton?
A. Yes.
Q. Beginning from when you left the hotel, would you say, please, what it is that you saw involving whom, where, when and how it happened?
SULLY J: Take it in stages. When you, yourself, walked out of the hotel were you alone or in company?
A. I was alone.
Q. Where was Kalache?
A. He was in front of me with Jason.
Q. How far in front?
A. Oh, they walked out of the club and I was still inside and it would have been about 10 seconds later, or maybe a bit more, I walked out and --
Q. Where did you first go when you walked out?
A. I walked out and I walked to the right towards the motel across the road.
COUNSEL (INGRAM): Q. That is up towards Anderson Street, isn't it?
A. I don't know.
Q. Up towards the corner of the park?
A. Yeah, next to the carpark as well, the little carpark. The club carpark.
Q. Between the club carpark and the corner at which the two streets intersect on which corner the pub is located, as you have put it, is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And at the time that you went out through the doorway of the hotel on this occasion were you then able to see the two people, Kalache and Mr. Burton?
A. Yeah, they were about 10, 15 metres away.
Q. Where were they in relation to things in their immediate area?
A. Um, under the trees where there used to be a couple of big trees but they cut them down after.
Q. Where were you when you saw them in that position?
A. I was still walking down.
Q. Towards?
A. Them.
Q. And how far was it between you and them when you saw the, as you put it, between the trees?
A. They was still walking down towards the trees further down, and when they got there I was about from here to the chairs away.
Q. By "the chairs", do you mean those blue chairs?
A. Yes, the blue chairs on the other side.
Q. To your eye is that a distance of something to the order of perhaps 10 metres or thereabouts?
A. Yeah, bit more, yeah.
Q. Pardon?
A. About that.
COUNSEL: (KINTOMINAS) I think he said a "bit more"
COUNSEL: (INGRAM) Do you think it was closer to about 12 metres, to your eye?
A. Yes."
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Q. How close were the people?
A. Um, a couple of metres away.
Q. When you say "a couple", do you mean two or three or do you mean more?
A. No more than five metres. There was a lot of drunk people around.
Q. Were any of those people that you have described in the last couple of answers, people who were in company with you? That is, part of any group of which you were a member there that night?
A. No.
Q. Were any of them part of a group of which the man Hassan Kalache was there, that night?
A. The people that me and Hassan were with, that went to the club with was myself, Hassan, my then wife Leanne Cassar and my cousin and they were just leaving. Four of us. No other people went with us to that club that night.
Q. My question was ---
A. No-one was there.
Q. Were any of the people ---
A. None of them.
Q. Were any of the people within the couple of metres you have described of Mr. Burton and Kalache, members of a group that Mr. Kalache was a part of, at that hotel ---
A. No.
Q. --- that night. Do you know a person by the name of Ibrahim?
A. Yes, I do.
Q. Was the man you are thinking of as Ibrahim at the club that night?
A. Yes, he was.
Q. What is his full name?
A. Michael Ibrahim.
Q. Was Mr. Michael Ibrahim a person who left the hotel at a time close to when you had left the hotel on the occasion you are now telling their Honours about?
A. Yes.
Q. Did he come to within a distance of those couple of metres near Mr. Burton and Mr. Kalache?
A. I can't remember.
Q. Is it the case that he may have, but you don't know?
A. He may have.
Q. What did you see happen between Mr. Burton and Mr. Kalache in the area between, you have said they are between the trees, am I correct or not?
A. Yes, underneath the trees, between them.
Q. What distance was it at the shortest that you were to them? Do you understand what I mean by that question? How close did you get to them?
A. Oh, I'd say about within, I'd say within five metres.
DUNFORD J: Q. No closer?
A. No, no closer.
COUNSEL (INGRAM): Q. Was there anyone closer to Mr. Burton and Mr. Kalache, than you?
A. I can't remember much from that night because I was on drugs back then and we both were, me and Hassan and --
Q. So Mr. Kalache was on drugs this night too, was he?
A. I'd assume he was.
Q. Was there anybody closer to Kalache and Mr. Burton than you were?
A. From what I can remember there was closer people than me.
Q. Closer than five metres to them?
A. Yeah.
Q. Did any ---
A. But these people weren't associated with anyone, they were just sitting back on cars with girls and just kicking butt.
Q. They took no part, so far as you could see, in anything that was taking place between Mr. Burton and Mr. Kalache, is that what you mean by that answer?
A. Yes.
Q. What did you see happen, if anything, between Mr. Burton and Mr. Kalache?
A. I seen a punch thrown.
Q. Who threw it?
A. Jason threw a punch. Jason Burton threw a punch.
Q. Left or right hand?
A. I can't remember.
Q. Did it strike?
A. I think it did because he had cuts on his hands.
Q. Where did it strike?
A. I can't remember.
Q. Whom did it strike?
A. Hassan.
Q. That is Mr. Kalache?
A. Yes.
Q. What next happened after that?
A. From what I can remember could have wrestled around a bit.
Q. You say they could have wrestled around a bit?
A. Yes, could have been wrestling around or throwing a punch.
Q. Is that because you don't remember?
A. Yes, because it was real dark.
Q. You couldn't see what was really happening five metres away from you because it was so dark, is that what you are saying?
A. Yes, I didn't think I couldn't see much.
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COUNSEL (INGRAM): Q. Before you saw Mr. Burton throw the punch, did you see Mr. Kalache do anything to Mr. Burton?
A. No, not from what I can remember.
Q. Were you watching both of them at the time immediately before Mr. Burton threw the punch?
A. I was walking behind them and they looked like they were talking. It happened real quick, everything happened real quick.
Q. Is this the correct sequence; they are walking ahead of you towards the trees and you are walking some distance behind them?
A. Yes.
Q. You notice that they are apparently talking to one another as they approach the trees?
A. This is when they were under the trees, already there, yeah. Walking slowly, sort of, when they got underneath them, underneath the trees.
Q. During this time you are continuing to watch both Mr. Burton and Mr. Kalache?
A. I was watching everyone around.
Q. I was asking you, you were continuing to watch both Mr. Burton and Mr. Kalache, were you?
A. I was watching everyone around there.
Q. I will ask you another time. You were watching Mr. Burton and Mr. Kalache, were you?
A. You can say that.
Q. I'm asking you.
A. Yeah
Q. What does that mean?
A. Yes.
Q. And at the time you were watching them you saw, you say, Mr. Burton throw this punch?
A. Yes.
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"Q. After you saw the punch thrown by Mr. Burton, the two men Burton and Kalache began to wrestle with one another. Is that what you saw?
A. Yes, something like that.
Q. If it was not that, what was it?
A. It was dark and looks like they were wrestling. Just grabbing each other.
Q. Were they standing up?
A. Yes.
Q. What happened that you saw apart from wrestling?
A. That is it.
Q. How long did it go on for?
A. I don't know.
Q. Did you continue to watch?
A. It happened real quick. There was nothing else to watch. I seen Jason ran up.
Q. Where?
A. Ran up to the club.
Q. Where did you(sic: he) go so far as you could see?
A. The club, inside the club
Q. Did he go back in through the door which you had just left there?
A. Yes, there was only one door.
Q. Did you see anything happen between the man Kalache and Mr. Burton involving a knife?
A. It was really dark. No.
Q. Was this wrestling taking place against a motor car?
A. Next to a car.
Q. How far from the car?
A. Maybe two metres, three metres."
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"Q. It was so dark you did not see Mr. Kalache stab him afterwards in the chest?
A. No I didn't because there is no lights at all. Since then they have taken down the trees and put lights there. There is no lights at all and the trees are really big huge and there is no light at all. The only light that would have come was from the motel from across the road. That is about 30 metres away."
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"Q. What part or components of the body of Mr. Kalalche were you able to see while the wrestling was taking place?
A. They just moved around.
Q. What part of Mr. Kalache's body were you able to see when the wrestling was on?
A. I cannot tell you. They were moving around. It may have been his front or his back. It happened real quick.
Q. Did you see his right hand?
A. His right hand?
Q. Yes.
A. I could have seen that.
Q. Did you see him stab Mr. Burton?
A. I never seen him stab him, like as I told you it happened real quick.
Q. Was there anything about Mr. Burton moving ahead of you as they were approaching the trees that in any way suggested to you he had already by then suffered two stab wounds? Was there anything about the way Mr. Burton moving ahead of you that suggested he had already been stabbed twice to the chest?
A. No.
Q. He moved easily from what you could see?
A. Yes.
Q. He was not crawling on the ground or stumbling?
A. No.
Q. Did you see anything happen between the time he left Mr. Kalache between the trees and raced back to the hotel that suggested that he might have been stabbed in that time?
A. When he was running back to the hotel.
Q. On his way back?
A. He had his hand on his chest.
Q. That suggested he had already been stabbed given what you now know, is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. It must have been Mr. Kalache, mustn't it, is that a difficult question for you to answer?
A. No it is not.
Q. Please do so.
A. I have answered it about five times. You asked the same thing.
SULLY J: Just try the sixth time.
A. Yes, it could have been him.
Q. That was not the question. The question do you wish read?
A. It could have been
Q. On the version that you give, it must have been Mr. Kalache. That is the question put to you. But just tell us simply and clearly what your answer to that question is.
A. I would say again it could have been.
COUNSEL (INGRAM): Who else in the world could it have been?
A. If I didn't see him stabbed, I didn't see a knife in the hand, right, I cannot say he stabbed him."
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"Q. You were very concerned to distance yourself away from any trouble that had happened there that night involving anyone at all.
A. I did not throw a punch at anyone nor have an altercation with anyone on that night.
Q. From the time you saw Burton racing from the hotel and a short time later whenever that was, heard people say the words "He has been stabbed" or words that made it clear to you a person had been stabbed, from that moment on you wanted to make sure that you were not a part of any inquiries by the police in connection with that stabbing, didn't you?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. Why not?
Q. Yes.
A. Why would I want to be part of the investigation?
Q. Why not? Is the question too hard to answer?
A. Because it is nothing to do with me.
Q. Why did you not want to be part of it if you had no part in the stabbing itself?
A. Why would I? Why would I? All right? If I had nothing to do.
SULLY J: Perhaps because you had been there and seen it happen?
A. I already said I never seen it happen. I never seen him put the knife in so there is no need, I did not want to be part of the investigation."
17 As to the second matter, the appellant's evidence was anything but precise. It seems to be his position that he knew very soon after the actual event that Mr. Burton had been stabbed; and that the source of that knowledge was an ensuing hubbub during which there were cries to the effect that Mr. Burton had been stabbed in the gardens outside the hotel.
18 As to the very important question of the timing of his knowledge, not only that there had been a stabbing, but also that Hassan Kalache had done it, the appellant's evidence ebbed and flowed around the precise point. Once again, some extracts from his evidence will give a fair overall picture:
"DUNFORD J: I will ask a couple of questions and I will try and make it clear and simple. You told us earlier that it was only after Burton went back into the hotel that you became aware that he had been stabbed. Do you recall saying that?
A. Yes.
Q. Was that correct?
A. Yes that was correct.
Q. Well when was it that you first found out that it was Kalache that had stabbed him?
A. I can't remember, it could have been back then.
Q. How did you find out that it was Kalache that had stabbed him?
A. He could have told me.
Q. Kalache would have told you?
A. Could have told me back then.
SULLY J: Did he?
A. I can't remember. It has been a long time.
DUNFORD J: Did you travel home in the car after this incident with Kalache in the same car as Kalache?
A. Yes I did.
Q. Someone came to pick you up?
A. Well Sleiman my cousin is the one that picked us up there.
Q. He came and picked you up along with your wife and Mr. Kalache?
A. Yes that is right.
Q. On the way home in the car was there any talk about the stabbing?
A. No.
Q. None at all?
A. No.
Q. You knew that someone had been stabbed?
A. Yes.
Q. But you did not know at that stage he had died or was in the course of dying?
A. I knew he died next day.
Q. Did you know at the time you were travelling home in the car that he was at least in the course of dying?
A. No.
Q. But you were not concerned. You were not concerned whether he was in the course of dying. Were you wondering whether he was alive or dead?
A. I never thought of it."
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"COUNSEL: (INGRAM) Q. At the time you heard the words "He has been stabbed.", did you seriously believe that somebody other than Mr. Kalache had stabbed Mr. Burton?
A. I did not know what I thought that night.
Q. As sure as night follows day, it is absolutely certain you knew that at the time?
A. I knew what?
A. That he stabbed Mr. Burton, that is Mr. Kalache stabbed Burton?
A. No I say.
Q. You do not know that as a fact?
A. Right there and then?
Q. Yes.
A. No I didn't
Q. Why didn't you ask?
A. Because it has nothing to do with me.
Q. You were in the same car with him, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You were leaving the scene?
A. That is correct.
Q. You were leaving the scene with him, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Your wife is next to you or near you in the car, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. For all you know one of the people in the car has just stabbed a man to death?
A. But maybe he did not want to tell me in front of the people in the car.
Q. Within five metres of you, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And yet you did not stay to ensure that whatever is said or done at those premises clears you of any involvement in the stabbing, did you?
A. No. Had nothing to do with me."
19 As to the third matter, also, the appellant's evidence was imprecise. It was reasonably clear that the appellant's position was that he had first heard in about June/July 2002, and after Hassan Kalache's conviction and sentencing for the murder of Wassim Chedade, of Hassan Kalache's confessing affidavit: T 76 (50). What was not, and is not, clear is how he explains not having done anything for so very long a time in the matter of disclosing his awareness that Hassan Kalache was, in truth, the person who stabbed Mr. Burton to death; and that he, the appellant, was in no way whatsoever implicated in that crime. All attempts to bring the appellant to this point were met by vague generalities. For example:
"Q. In the times, if he did, if he visited you after he was aquitted but before you were found guilty, did you ask him anything about whether he might be kind enough to give some evidence for you in your trial?
A. Did I ask him?
Q. Yes.
A. I don't think so.
Q. Why not?
A. Why not?
Q. Yes, why not?
A. Um. Because I didn't think he'd do it and --
Q. You didn't know, did you?
A. Yeah, I didn't know.
Q. Because you didn't ask him?
A. I didn't ask him, I didn't want to ask him. I could have asked him like, after that.
Q. I'm not asking you about after that. I'm asking you about the time before you were convicted, why didn't you ask him?
A. Before I was convicted?
Q. Yes, before you were convicted and after he was acquitted, why didn't you ask him to give evidence for you?
A. I'm trying to get this right. Are you asking me, is this before he walked? Before he walked out? Like, during the time when both of us were on trial?
Q. I'll make it more clear for you, okay? After he walked out, picture yourself back there in relation to the court that day. Remember the day he walked out?
A. Yes, I remember the day he walked out.
Q. *I suppose you thought: Gee, there goes the guilty man out the door now, didn't you?
A. I remember from that day my QC said to me, that could have been me, that's it.
SULLY J: What is the answer to counsel's question?
A. Can you say it again?
QUESTION MARKED WITH AN * READ
SULLY J: What is the answer to that question, please?
A. I didn't really think of it that way.
COUNSEL: (INGRAM) Q. Why not?
A. Um, I never thought of it. I was still on trial.
DUNFORD J: Did you think it was very unfair that he was walking while you were still on trial?
A. Yes, I did.
COUNSEL: (INGRAM) Q. What did you do about that?
A. I didn't do nothing.
Q. Why not?
A. Um. Because I wasn't in a position to do so.
Q. I beg your pardon?
A. I wasn't in a position to do so.
Q. Up until that time had you said to anybody, "I didn't do this. The man Hassan Kalache did this and I know that for a fact"?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. Because I'd get in trouble.
Q. I beg your pardon?
A. I'd get in trouble.
Q. Oh. From whom?
A. There's a lot of people in gaol. If I talked or say something that's out of school in gaol, I might end up in trouble.
Q. So you were afraid something might happen because you identified your nephew as the murderer, is that right?
A. Yes, yes.
Q. So you didn't tell a single living soul about that, is that right?
A. Yep, I didn't tell no-one. Some people came up to me.
Q. Were you afraid of your nephew at the time that he walked out the door of the court room in relation to this matter?
A. Was I afraid of him?
Q. Yes.
A. I was never afraid of him, not him specifically.
Q. Well, you must have been afraid of somebody else, were you?
A. Other people.
Q. Other people?
A. You don't have to be related to them or even know them for something to happen if you talk.
Q. So you're standing trial for murder in relation to a murder you didn't commit, is that correct?
A. That is correct.
Q. You see the man who you know as a fact did murder the unfortunate deceased, is that correct?
A. That is correct.
Q. You watch him walk out the door a free man, is that correct?
A. That is correct.
Q. And because of some prospect that someone might one day get to you in the way you described, you say nothing to anybody?
A. I say nothing because --
Q. Is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. And then, quite by coincidence it would seem so far as you are concerned, two years or thereabouts later this same individual pops up and says, "Oh, by the way, I'd like to tell the truth now". Is that your understanding of what has been happening?
A. I guess so.
SULLY J: Don't guess, is that your understanding or not, of what has in fact happened?
A. Yeah, from what I've been told and what I've heard from my counsel, yes.
COUNSEL (INGRAM) Q. Because, of course, you had no idea that Mr. Kalache was going to step into the limelight at this late stage and provide you with a defence, did you?
A. No, I didn't.
Q. Because you had never even asked him to, had you?
A. No, no, I don't think so, no.
Q. Why not?
A. Why not?
Q. Yes, why not?
A. I never thought of it because I was real close with him, I grew up with him and --
Q. Trusted him?
A. Yeah, I trusted him.
Q. Loved him?
A. Yes.
Q. Felt like he was a close member of your family?
A. He is.
Q. Still is?
A. Yes.
Q. You know that as a fact, don't you?
A. Well, I haven't seen him for a while. I can't turn against my own family.
Q. He did you, didn't he?
A. He didn't turn against me.
Q. He walked out of a court room knowing you were innocent, to face the music at the hands of a jury in relation to murder. Do you say he didn't do anything against you?
A. Um, that was up to him. I couldn't tell him to say it was him, I couldn't tell him to say it wasn't him.
COUNSEL (INGRAM): I didn't ask you whether you could tell him to. I have so far only asked you if you asked him if he would and so far you have repeatedly told their Honours that you didn't ask him?
SULLY J: He said "I don't think so". I don't think so".
COUNSEL (INGRAM): Q. Does that mean you asked him but you have now forgotten?
A. No, I never asked him.
Q. You never asked him?
A. No.
Q. During the course of the trial were you in cells beneath the court room?
A. Today?
Q. The trials involving the death of Mr. Burton?
A. We were together, yes.
Q. You knew as a fact that you didn't kill Mr. Burton?
A. Yes.
Q. And you watched day after day as witness after witness was called in the Crown case, didn't you?
A. Yes.
Q. And you saw the trial evidence being built up against you, didn't you?
A. Yes.
Q. And you saw that the Crown case was that you were the person who had the knife, didn't you?
A. The Crown case, yes.
Q. And you knew you didn't, didn't you?
A. Yes.
Q. Didn't you at some stage say to Mr. Kalache, your nephew, "Will you please do something to help me, because I didn't do this and you know I didn't do this". Did you ever do that?
A. No, I didn't.
Q. Why not?
A. Because, I just didn't.
SULLY J: But why didn't you, was the question.
A. When I used to see my counsel all they had, all they ever told me was I would end up walking because the dying man's words, all Burton's last words were, "It was Kalache". I wasn't going to say anything because it might end up against me if I ended up in gaol, I don't end up walking, like I did now and I might end up in gaol, I always thought I'd end up going home in trial because of dying man's words, because of Jason Burton's last words.
DUNFORD J: Did you tell your counsel, "I didn't do it, I saw Kalache do it"?
A. No. My counsel asked me, because he asked me a couple of times, he told me, "Let me fight it on the dying man's words and you'll walk", and I refused. I refused a couple of times.
Q. You refused what?
A. To let him use the evidence of Jason Burton against Kalache, in court.
Q. I'm sorry, say that again. You refused to let him --
A. He wanted to use that evidence against Kalache, the dying man's words, and he said, he promised me if he used it that I would walk.
Q. But you sat through the trial and you saw that he did use it, didn't you?
A. What was that?
Q. You sat through the trial and you saw that he did use the dying man's words, didn't he?
A. My QC?
Q. Yes. He relied on that very strongly, didn't he?
A. No. We weren't accusing him, in my case we were only accusing Kalache.
Q. You know that your QC in the trial relied very strongly on the dying man's words, don't you?
A. I don't know, no, because I've never looked at the brief.
Q. You were there, you heard it. You heard it, didn't you?
A. When they talk in court, when the counsel talks and that I don't understand what they say.
Q. You heard him cross-examine Mr. Stacey about the dying man's words were "Kalache", didn't you?
A. Yes, I did.
Q. You heard him in his final address to the jury tell the jury about the dying man's words, "Kalache", didn't you?
A. Yes.
Q. So it is not true, is it? Is it correct to say that you refused to let your counsel use the dying man's words?
A. He used them in the summing up, I think that is correct. I think he used them in the summing up, that was after Hassan Kalache went home.
Q. Is it correct that you refused to let your counsel use the dying man's words?
A. Yes, when Kalache was there. I even wrote it down on a piece of paper and I signed it.
Q. But you say, do you, that you never told your barrister at any time that you didn't do it, you saw Kalache do it?
A. No, I didn't.
COUNSEL (INGRAM): Q. That was the most important piece of information you could have told anyone, wasn't it?
A. Yes.
Q. And you have waited until today, have you, to say those words to somebody?
A. Um, I waited till he came out with it."
20 In the next section of my present reasons I shall discuss the conclusions to which I have come about the evidence of the appellant.
· Hassan Kalache
21 As with the appellant, so also with Mr. Kalache, there were obvious matters to be explored.
22 The first was his version of the detail of the events surrounding the stabbing of Mr. Burton.
23 The second was his explanation of his having left his uncle to languish in prison for a period in the order of three years before coming forward to confess that he himself was the one and only guilty party.
24 The third, which was bound up with the second matter, was his knowledge that his own directed acquittal put him at once and for ever beyond the reach of further prosecution for the murder of Mr. Burton.
25 In his evidence-in-chief Mr. Kalache gave the following description of the lead-up to the stabbing of Mr. Burton:
"Q. You tell the Court what you know and remember, taking it slowly, about what happened to Mr. Burton that night?
A. Could you repeat that question?
SULLY J: I think it would be better if you were to lead it in segments from the witness.
COUNSEL (KINTOMINAS): Q. You are aware of the person I am talking about, Jason Burton?
A. Yes.
Q. Do you remember him in the hotel at any stage before he went outside?
A. Yep.
Q. Did you have anything to do with him in the hotel before he went outside?
A. Yep.
Q. Did you know him?
A. Before then, no.
Q. Do you know why he would know your name?
A. I don't know why but we had an argument inside.
Q. Do you remember what the argument was about?
A. Not really.
Q. Did that argument involve anything more than words?
A. No.
Q. Did anyone hit anyone?
A. No.
Q. Did you have one argument or more than one argument?
A. No, just one.
Q. Do you remember Mr. Burton going outside?
A. Yep.
Q. Did you go outside?
A. Yep.
Q. Was that on purpose that you went out, because he went out, or was it a coincidence?
A. No, I asked him to come out.
Q. You asked him?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you walk with him?
A. Behind him.
Q. Where did you walk to?
A. Out the front of the hotel.
Q. Do you recall that there were some trees in the hotel that evening which were not there later?
A. No.
Q. If I mentioned trees to you, that does not assist you at all?
A. No.
Q. How far away from the entrance did you walk?
A. About eight metres.
Q. About?
A. Eight metres.
Q. When you say "about eight metres", how far would you say it is from where you are to the officer in the blue shirt sitting directly opposite you?
A. About eight metres.
Q. Would that have been the distance that you walked?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you then have a conversation with Mr. Burton?
A. We had an argument, that is, words.
Q. What were you arguing about?
A. Something that happened inside.
Q. Can you recall what?
A. Eh?
Q. Do you remember what happened inside?
A. Yeah, he grabbed my girlfriend on the arse.
Q. He grabbed your girlfriend where?
A. On the arse.
Q. Are you saying "the heart"?
DUNFORD J: On the arse.
COUNSEL (KINTOMINAS): Q. Would you demonstrate on your body where you mean?
A. No I won't.
SULLY J: He pinched her.
COUNSEL (KINTOMINAS): I am sorry, I was hearing a "t" not an "s". I apologise Mr. Kalache.
Q. So you took exception to that, did you?
A. Yes.
Q. You took him outside?
A. Yep.
Q. And you had an argument with him?
A. Yep.
Q. How long did you argue for?
A. You know, just a couple of words, then something happened after that, we had a punch on that led --
Q. Who punched him?
A. Me and him, Jason Burton.
Q. Who punched you?
A. There was a scuffle, me and him.
Q. Did you punch him?
A. Yep.
Q. Did he punch you?
A. Yep.
Q. And then what happened?
A. I pulled the knife out and I stabbed him.
Q. Where did you keep this knife?
A. In my pants.
Q. At the time that you stabbed him were you aware of who may be watching?
A. No.
Q. After you stabbed him - how many times did you stab him?
A. Two times.
Q. Where did you stab him.
A. I can't remember.
Q. Can you do your best?
A. No.
SULLY J: Can you give us any idea at all?
A. Somewhere in the chest.
Q. Can you be any more specific?
A. No.
DUNFORD J: Was it a downward movement, an upward movement, a sideways movement?
A. Side.
Q. Sideways?
A. Yes.
COUNSEL (KINTOMINAS): When you say sideways, does that apply to both times you stabbed him?
A. Yes.
Q. Why did you stab him?
A. I don't know.
Q. You mean you do not know now or you did not know then?
A. I know why I done it then.
Q. Why did you do it then?
A. Because one thing led to another.
SULLY J: Please say that again - because one thing led to another?
A. Yeah.
COUNSEL: (KINTOMINAS) Q. After you stabbed him, what did you do with the knife?
A. I dumped it.
DUNFORD J Sorry?
A. I dumped it.
COUNSEL (KINTOMINAS): Q. Where did you dump it?
A. I can't remember.
Q. Did it fall from your hand at any stage?
A. Yes.
Q. When?
A. At the same time.
Q. At the same time as when?
A. As when I stabbed him.
Q. What happened to it after it fell from the hand?
A. I picked it up.
Q. By the time you picked it up did you become aware as to who else may be looking at you, seeing what was happening?
A. No.
Q. Then what did you do?
A. Then we went in the car and took off.
Q. Who did you take off with?
A. A few - my friends.
Q. Can you tell us who?
A. No.
Q. Was Emad Sleiman with you?
A. No.
OBJECTION
SULLY J: Not on this topic, Mr. Kintominas.
COUNSEL (KINTOMINAS): Q. Can you tell me how many people were in the car?
A. Four of us.
Q. Was there any discussion with the people in the car about what had happened?
A. There was, but I can't recall.
Q. Is that as a result of them asking you questions, or you telling them things?
A. They were asking me questions."
26 As to the second and third matters, Mr. Kalache said that he tried, immediately after his acquittal, to tell his own then solicitor that he wished to give evidence in support of the present appellant. He did not say what exactly it was that he was able and willing to give in evidence; and he certainly did not disclose that his purpose was to confess to having been, himself, the one and only assailant.
27 Examining counsel took Mr. Kalache to various parts of his affidavit, the contents of which I have previously herein noted at paragraph 15. This gave rise to the following:
"Q. Perhaps you might be able to assist me. When you say "I have not been prepared in the past to give evidence about what occurred on the night of the murder", how are you able to say that in view of the fact that you had asked to see Mr. Hill, I think it was, after you were found not guilty and had offered to help? Can you just explain how those two sit together?
A. No, I can't.
Q. Well, is one of them wrong or are they both right?
A. I don't know.
Q. You had told Mr. Kekatos that you had not been prepared in the past to give evidence?
A. That's right.
Q. Did you understand, when you spoke to Mr. Hill, that the only practical way that you could assist Mr. Sleiman was to get into the witness box and give evidence and tell the jury that you were the one who had killed Mr. Burton?
A. Yep.
Q. Had you been prepared to go that far?
A. No.
Q. So what other way were you hoping to help Mr. Sleiman?
A. In that way.
Q. In which way?
A. To give evidence.
Q. You wanted to give evidence for him, but not tell the jury that you were the one who stabbed him?
A. Yeah.
Q. Was that last statement "I have come to the decision that the truth should be told", was that true?
A. What was that?
Q. I withdraw that. When you said in your affidavit that you had not been prepared in the past to give evidence about what occurred on the night of the murder, but you had come to the decision that the truth should be told, what, if anything, made you change your mind and have a different attitude?
A. Why?
Q. Yes.
A. I don't know why. It's not right for him to be in gaol for something I did.
DUNFORD J: But this was in August of this year, wasn't it, that this affidavit was prepared?
A. That's right.
Q. That's when you thought it wasn't right for him to be in gaol for something you did?
A. That's right.
Q. But he had been in gaol for what, three years at that stage for something that you did?
A. Yeah.
Q. Did you think that was all right?
A. No.
Q. What made you change your mind?
A. I don't know, I just felt, I had to do it then."
28 Mr. Kalache denied that his confession had been the result of any external pressure or influence; or that it had been in any way influenced by his subsequent conviction and sentencing in connection with the Chedade killing.
29 As to the appellant's own awareness that Mr. Kalache had stabbed Mr. Burton to death, Mr. Kalache gave this evidence:
Q. Are you able to recall when you first realised or knew that Emad Sleiman knew that you had committed the murder, that is, the murder of Jason Burton?
A. What about it?
Q. Do you remember when it was that you realised that Emad knew you had stabbed Jason Burton?
A. No.
Q. You became aware that he knew that you had done it, did you?
A. No.
Q. You don't know?
A. I don't know."
30 Before the adjournment at the end of that particular sitting day, I raised with Mr. Kalache the matter of his understanding about the effect of his own directed acquittal. The following interchange resulted:
"Q. You can take it from me that the day on which you were acquitted in Mr. Justice Sperling's court was 7 May 1999. After you had been acquitted, did you get any advice as to whether or not the effect of the acquittal was that you could not be charged again with the murder of Mr. Burton?
A. No.
Q. Did you have any understanding about that fact?
A. No.
Q. Did you later on discuss it with anybody?
A. No.
Q. Until you raised it with Mr. Kekatos?
A. Yep.
Q. Just think about it for a moment. Are you saying that until you spoke to Mr. Kekatos earlier this year you had no idea at all, one way or the other, whether you could be charged again with the murder of Mr. Burton if you were to make the admission that you make in your affidavit?
A. No."
31 Mr. Kalache was cross-examined extensively about all three of the topics previously mentioned. As to the detail of the stabbing incident itself, the evidence was laconic and not always consistent. The following excerpt gives the flavour of the whole:
"Q. Mr. Burton threw the first punch?
A. Yeah
Q. What happened to that punch?
A. I can't remember.
Q. Did it hit you?
A. Yeah, he got me.
Q. Where?
A. In the face.
Q. What did you do?
A. I pulled the knife out.
Q. What, straight away?
A. Yeah.
Q. Did you think he was going to do that much damage to you?
A. I didn't think at that time, no.
Q. Why did you pull the knife?
A. I don't know, I just pulled it out.
Q. Surely you were going to scare him with it, is that right?
A. It happened; it happened."
32 Part of the cross-examination, and questions put by the Court, attempted to clarify what Mr. Kalache was suggesting as to the location of the stab wounds. This evidence, also, was laconic and not always consistent.
33 Thus, to Dunford J:
Q. Where did you stab him?
A. In the chest.
Q. In the chest?
A. Yeah.
Q. Do you know the difference between the chest and the abdomen?
A. No.
Q. You don't? Do you know where the abdomen is?
A. No.
Q. No idea?
A. No.
Q. But, you said you stabbed him in the chest when you swore your affidavit. Where do you say you stabbed him, in the abdomen or the chest?
A. I beg your pardon?
Q. You say you stabbed him in the chest, is that right?
A. Yeah.
Q. You say you don't know the difference between the chest and the abdomen?
A. I told you I stabbed him somewhere around here (indicated).
Q. You say you don't know the difference between the abdomen and the chest?
A. That's right.
SULLY J: When the witness said, "somewhere around here", he made a stabbing motion of his chest.
DUNFORD J: You say you read the affidavit that Mr. Kekatos prepared before you signed it?
A. Yes.
Q. And it says, "I stabbed him in the abdomen". That was not right, was it?
A. No, it was right.
Q. What?
A. It was right.
Q. It was right?
A. Yeah.
Q. How do you know it was right, it you don't know where the abdomen is?
A. I thought it was around somewhere near his stomach on the chest. (indicated)
Q. What is the difference?
A. No difference to me.
Q. The point is that when you signed that affidavit, you didn't know where the young man had been wounded?
A. Yes I did.
Q. Where was he wounded?
A. Somewhere around his stomach and his chest. (indicated)"