20 I now turn to the various passages which Counsel for Cuong Lam seeks to exclude from Hoang Quang Tran's record of interview and statement. I will deal firstly with the events that occurred outside the Salt Nightclub when people started running. Hoang Tran in his record of interview states that his friends saw him get hit in the nightclub. He said that they came outside. He said that he saw a bunch of guys running so he ran with them.
21 Objection is taken by Cuong Lam to questions and answers 130 to 135 of Hoang Tran's record of interview and in particular to answers recording his conduct and observations outside the nightclub and whilst he was running from the night club in Daly and Chapel Streets. They are relevant to his intent, his knowledge of the conduct of Coung Lam and whether he had a common purpose with other accused including Cuong Lam. There is no substance in the submission that such facts are not probative in Hoang Tran's trial or that Cuong Lam will be prejudiced by the admission of this evidence.
22 Cuong Lam seeks to exclude the statement of the observations made by Hoang Tran of Cuong Lam and his familiarity with Cuong Lam. The passages objected to are the questions and answers in the record of interview, 144 to 171, 181 to 197, 397 to 400, 586 to 594, and the statement of Hoang Tran at depositions pages 4957 to 4958. Hoang Tran's familiarity with Cuong Lam, his description of Cuong Lam as the person with a Samurai sword wearing gloves, his account of Cuong Lam's movements in Daly Street and at the corner of Chapel Street and Alexandra Avenue is relevant to the Crown case that Hoang Tran aided and abetted or had a common purpose with him. I take into account that Cuong Lam admits in his record of interview being in Daly Street armed with a Samurai sword. He says that it was given to him by a person who he was unable to identify. He admits to running a short distance along Chapel Street before he stumbled and vomited on the footpath and the sword was either taken from him or he lost possession of it.
23 To the extent that Hoang Tran's description of Cuong Lam's conduct goes beyond that admitted by Cuong Lam, Hoang Tran's answers are sufficiently probative in the case against Hoang Tran to refuse the request by his co-accused to exclude them.
24 In the passage of Hoang Tran's record of interview at questions and answers 351 to 353, Hoang Tran describes what Cuong Lam was wearing. This, I have been told, is a matter which is the subject of evidence by numerous witnesses. His answers are relevant to whether or not Hoang Tran has accurately identified Cuong Lam as the person who did certain things. At questions and answers 693 to 694, Hoang Tran speaks of his recollection of whether Cuong Lam was present when the deceased James Huynh was attacked with swords by various persons. His recollections are relevant to the Crown case that Hoang Tran was a principal in the second degree to the acts of Cuong Lam and others, or had a common purpose with Cuong Lam or others. Hoang Tran's answer that he has no recollection of Cuong Lam being present is relevant and can have no prejudicial effect.
25 At questions and answers 480 to 521 Hoang Tran speaks of his familiarity with Cuong Lam including his knowledge of his car and the frequency with which he saw Cuong Lam at nightclubs. It is relevant and the subjects explored are not contentious. The claim by Counsel for Coung Lam that Hoang Tran's answers as to his observations of, and familiarity with, Cuong Lam are of no, or such little probative value that they should be excluded have not been made good. The passages are probative in the prosecution case against Hoang Tran.
26 As to questions and answers 435 to 440, they involve unnecessary repetition of prior answers which add nothing concerning Hoang Tran's knowledge of Cuong Lam's conduct. Question 440 invites speculation on Hoang Tran's part. I shall exclude those questions and answers as having little probative value in Hoang Tran's trial but potential prejudice to Cuong Lam. For similar reasons I would exclude question 525. Questions and answers 649 and 651 to 652 involve assertions of fact by the investigator which are denied by Hoang Tran. Mr Dean quite properly concedes that they are of no probative value to the Crown and has no objection to their exclusion. I shall exclude those questions and answers.
27 I now turn to the incident outside the Como building which is referred to in questions 286 to 349, questions 351 to 360 and to Hoang Tran's statement (Depositions 4959). No objection was taken by counsel for Cuong Lam to that part of Hoang Tran's statement (Depositions 4959) in which he describes two persons who approached him as he walked away from where the deceased had been killed towards the Como building.
28 Objection was taken to the record of interview and statement where Hoang Tran described Cuong Lam alighting from a red car with the other occupants of the red car. Hoang Tran said that all were armed with knives and wanted to attack the two persons who had approached Hoang Tran and who he thought were going to hit him. He stated that he spoke with Cuong Lam and dissuaded Cuong Lam from attacking these persons. I accept the Crown's submission that this incident may connect Hoang Tran in a temporal and physical way to the scene of the crime and to Cuong Lam, as it occurred at a time which the Crown contends was very shortly after the deceased, James Huynh, was murdered, and at a place close to where the deceased was killed. The conduct of Hoang Tran and the manner in which he dealt with Cuong Lam may bear upon the Crown claim that he was complicit in the acts of Cuong Lam or had, or continued to have, a common purpose with him. It is relevant to the nature of the relationship between Hoang Tran and Cuong Lam at that time. These passages are probative in the case against Hoang Tran. An appropriate direction will be required as to the limited use the jury may make of such answers.
29 Questions and answers 687 to 691, 702 to 715 and Hoang Tran's statement (Depositions 4954) concern the incident at the Odeon Nightclub on 4 July 2002. I take into account that much of the material in relation to the Odeon Nightclub is referred to in Cuong Lam's record of interview in which he admitted that he was at the Odeon Nightclub and involved in a fight with the Huynhs. Hoang Tran's knowledge of that incident is relevant to his state of mind on 8 July 2002 and whether he was complicit in the act of others including Cuong Lam or had a common purpose with them. It may bear upon his understanding of what other persons were intending to do on 8 July 2002.
30 I turn to the phone calls between Hoang Tran and Cuong Lam at questions and answers 612 to 614, and the statement at Depositions 4960. The prosecution relies upon the fact that Cuong Lam and Hoang Tran were in communication with one another immediately after the commission of the offence. Hoang Tran phoned Cuong Lam and Cuong Lam phoned him back. The fact of communication has some probative value. The sentence in Hoang Tran's statement (Depositions 4960) in which he speculates as to why Cuong Lam may have been ringing should be excluded as it has no probative value in Hoang Tran's trial, but may be prejudicial to Cuong Lam. Such a course is not opposed by the Crown.
31 Counsel for Cuong Lam submitted that he should be granted a separate trial in the event that some of these passages were not to be excluded. Counsel relied upon the principles as enunciated in the written submission filed in support of the application for separate trial made by Thanh Nha Nguyen and which was the subject of my ruling of 19 October 2004.[29]
32 The interests of justice ordinarily require that where a number of persons are charged with the murder of another and the Crown alleges that they were all present at the time of the killing or complicit that they should be tried together. That is particularly so where alleged joint offenders seek to cast blame on other accused.[30]
33 The power to order a separate trial will generally not be exercised merely because evidence which has been properly admitted in the case of one accused is inadmissible in the case of another and prejudicial to that other.[31] In R v Gibb & McKenzie, the Full Court thought it would be scandalous and a serious blot on the administration of justice if the ordering of separate trials in such cases resulted in inconsistent verdicts.
34 It was submitted that the nature and the extent of the questions and answers in the record of interview and statement of Hoang Tran which concerned Cuong Lam's conduct and utterances cannot be cured by the usual direction to the jury that such evidence is only relevant and admissible in the case of Hoang Tran. Counsel submitted that it would be necessary to identify each and every passage that could not be used in regard to Cuong Lam. This, he submitted, would in turn highlight the prejudicial references. He submitted that I should order that Hoang Tran have a separate trial from Cuong Lam and the other accused.
35 Counsel for Cuong Lam did not identify any particular feature of the case of either accused that would give rise to a need to order a separate trial. Circumstances such as those in R v Demirok[32] and Jones & Waghorn v R[33] to which I have referred in Ruling One (R v Lam & Ors)[34] and which raise a significant risk that an accused person may be unfairly prejudiced by the impermissible use of evidence are not present.
36 In Gibb & McKenzie the Court observed that statements contained in a co-accused's record of interview implicating the accused are commonly received in joint trials and such evidence will not ordinarily justify an order for a separate trial, though special directions will be called for. I can see no reason of substance in the present case why a separate trial from Hoang Tran should be ordered. Although there are a substantial number of references to Cuong Lam in Hoang Tran's interview and statement, much of what Hoang Tran asserts is acknowledged in Cuong Lam's record of interview or may otherwise prove to be uncontroversial in the trial as it is the subject of extensive evidence by other witnesses. I have no reason to conclude that clear and firm directions as to the limited use that may be made of Hoang Tran's answers will be insufficient to ensure no prejudice occurs.
37 I am not presently persuaded that it will be necessary to refer to each and every passage in Hoang Tran's record of interview and statement to which unsuccessful objection has been taken. The specificity of the direction which will be called for as to the inadmissibility in Cuong Lam's trial of such passages in Hoang Tran's record of interview and statement will depend upon the course of the trial. I refuse the application for a separate trial. Counsel for Cuong Lam foreshadowed that in the event that I exclude only some passages from Hoang Tran's record of interview and statement to which objection was taken, he may wish to withdraw his application to have certain passages excluded and I will entertain a further submission if he wishes to make one in that regard.