27 Mr Moodie submitted that because the Commissioner had rejected his sworn evidence, it was appropriate that he obtain the Commissioner's records of the evidence of Mr Beazley, the Chairman of the Integrity Council and Mr Brown, the RVL Executive General Manager. There was an apparent dispute about the terms of a conversation between them and Mr Moodie on or about 25 August 2016 and about a conversation between Mr Moodie and Mr Saundry, the RVL Chief Executive Officer, on 13 January 2015. The Commissioner's finding on that issue led to, or influenced, his conclusion that Mr Moodie had not made a full and frank disclosure to the Integrity Council on 11 January 2016 about the source of the information that he provided to Peter Moody. There was also an issue of whether Mr Moodie told Mr Beazley and Mr Brown that Mr Saundry had confirmed to him the rumour that there were two more trainers with horses who had returned positive cobalt swabs. The Commissioner had rejected Mr Moodie's sworn evidence and accepted unsworn evidence. No reasons were given for that decision. Discovery of the records of the unsworn evidence of Beazley, Brown and Saundry, was required. Mr Moodie was entitled to know what evidence the Commissioner possessed to support his findings.