26 The Philip Morris defendants filed a motion on 11 July 2002 claiming orders including, in prayer 2, a declaration that the plaintiff does not have the standing to bring a claim on behalf of "other persons". As I understand it the Wills defendants also challenge the ability of the plaintiff to bring such a claim. The Philip Morris defendants' motion together with motions filed by the Wills defendants and the Rothmans defendants were listed for hearing on 31 March 2003. On that occasion the parties were agreed that the convenient course was to address only those issues raised by prayer 1 of the Phillip Morris defendants' motion (the pleading challenge) and the like challenges brought by the other defendants. The challenge articulated in prayer 2 of the Phillip Morris defendants' motion was stood over together with the other defendants' motions. Any issue as to the plaintiff's ability to bring proceedings under the provisions of the TPA, not being a representative proceeding, claiming compensation in respect of an unparticularised group of "other persons" has not been determined. The present application is to be approached upon the basis that the plaintiff's claim is an arguable one.
27 The defendants acknowledge that to the extent that the plaintiff brings a claim for personal injuries, whether at common law or pursuant to the provisions of the TPA, they cannot be heard to contend that a security order should be made. However, in their submission the structure of the present proceeding is such as to overwhelm the plaintiff's personal claim. I am invited to infer from statements made by Mr Francey during the hearing of the earlier motion that the plaintiff has had no choice in the way that the claim has been framed. In this respect my attention was drawn to the following passages the transcript:
"Francey: In this case we are proceeding from this mammoth, giant, joint plan that Spender J talked about (a reference to the judgment in Philip Morris (Australia) Ltd v Nixon [2000]. Which in fact we have uncovered and pleaded, and we are progressing along the way to advancing the case. (T 153)
…
That is probably a convenient time for me to deal with that aspect of the matter before coming to the way in which we've tried to structure the claim, because another factor we would want your Honour to take into account in deciding what level of specificity is required at this point as opposed to an acceptable degree of generality is to take into account what happens if this claim cannot go ahead.
I can assure your Honour that this is probably the last opportunity for this to be dealt with in any comprehensive way. You might have a few individual cases like in the McCabe (a reference to the McCabe v British American Tobacco Australia Services Ltd [2002] VSC 73; British American Tobacco Australia Services Ltd v Cowell [2002] VSCA 197) case last year with document destruction. But my attitude was when Maurice May came to see me, if I'm going to be doing this for nothing or on spec I'm not going to be doing it for one person. It's just not worth my time. If you want to expose the entirety of the conduct and try to achieve comprehensive relief and do what Myriam Cauvin wants to do is to stop the people ending up in the same situation that she ended up in, she doesn't even want full compensation. Mr Sher generously put it back at $500,000 or 1 m. Now, if that is an offer, I will take instructions and she will probably take it. The fact is that you will see from her affidavit that what she said is she wants to be independent of the disability pension, she wants to have her medical expenses and future medicals covered, she wants to provide for her son and she wants to have centres set up to help other people who are addicted to help them become un-addicted for a variety of reasons … " (T 161-162).
…
So, for example, the Court could constitute these proceedings as representative proceedings under the Federal Court Act , since we comply with the requirements of the broad canvas and the giant, joint plan, in which case under the Trade Practices Act the Court could make orders on behalf of any person, if we worked out an acceptable definition of group members, but that is a procedural thing far down the track if that's the way the case got conducted, and the Court was interested in providing comprehensive relief for everyone, given that the statement of claim is framed in a way that eliminates time limit problems for everyone. So anybody who has a smoking related disease, however long ago, is eligible to make a claim. If they get a disease in the future, they can make a claim. The Court can order that a fund be established to make provision for people who suffer harm in the future, and the Court can make orders that remedy the effects of the conduct and prevent or reduce harm.
That is the scope of result that the Court is able to achieve, if we get there, and it has the benefit, as I say, of time limits being overcome and people not having to commence their own proceedings, but there has to be some manageable way of conducting the litigation and we don't know who else wants to make claims. That is what we are trying to get around, and that's why the pleading has been framed in the way that it is, because it has to be at a level of generality that gives all these other people an opportunity to participate.
So we can't deal with Myriam Cauvin bought a packet of cigarettes off Y company at X shop reading such and such a sign, because it defeats the whole purpose of the exercise and wastes my time, so that's why we've done it the way we've done it (T 176-177).
We have sought to invoke to provide the broadest possible scope of liability. (T 205).
Is our statement of claim seriously to be struck out with potentially millions of people able to be compensated or harm prevented because we replicate a section from the Act (T 207).
We are prepared to meet any language problem in the document and we have gone through their objections, we will go through every argument that your Honour upholds and ensure that this statement of claim is as good as it can possibly be, as long as it is understood that what it is directed to is a particular goal. (T 130).
So we took those into account when we amended the statement of claim. That is reflected in both the first and second defendants' written submissions and revised attachment "A", and Mr Beach's revised schedules, because we have taken into account their criticisms. But, your Honour, we are not going to amend the statement of claim to delete the reference to 'others' and we are not going to amend the statement of claim to delete references to way in which the defendants and those represented by them conspired together and engaged in particular forms of conduct or as part of a giant plan (T 206-207).
So that raises problems in terms of quantification of harm and the effect of the conduct. The extent to which harm from smoking is attributable to the conduct pleaded, that's going to be a problem for us. We're going to have to work out how to deal with that. We've got to be able to establish that at least certain people have suffered harm.
Your Honour, then what we say is - say we produce 1,000 people from various States and Territories, all of whom are able to demonstrate harm to the same extent, for example, that Ms Cauvin can. Then the Court is faced with this situation: do you give those 1,000 people $1m or $ 2m each or whatever it is? Or do you say, 'hold on, if there is 1,000 people like that and there's 1.6 million who are going to get smoking-related disease, maybe some funds should be set up with a scheme that provides compensation for everyone, because it's going to be fairer and more equitable.
…
Ms Cauvin, as I said, at the moment all she wants is to be off the pension, have her medical expenses covered, to provide for her son and prevent harm to other people so they don't end up in the same situation as her. She's not going to make too great an inroad. Other people may want to make claims, but it seems to me that if that is the level of potential claimants, it's pointless of them all tripping along to the Supreme Court. (T 186)
28 In the defendants' submission the plaintiff is bound by the statements and concessions made by Mr Francey during the course of the hearing; Haller v Worman (1861) 3 LT 741, Yonge v Toynbee [1910] 1 KB 215 at 233-234 and Neale v Lady Gordon Lennox [1902] 1 KB 838 at 843.