"'PAUL MURRAY' - PRESENTER:
First I want to raise with you the Mickelberg matter that's been around for most of the last couple of days.
'RICHARD COURT' - WA PREMIER
Sure.
'MURRAY':
How can members of the police force have any confidence in the parliamentary joint select committee on the Anti Corruption Commission when it's headed by a Liberal politician, Derrick Tomlinson, who writes character references for one of the state's most notorious criminals?
'COURT':
Look I think Paul, lets [sic] put it in perspective. These people were found guilty of offences and went to gaol and did their time. And when they've come out of gaol.. all criminals who come out of gaol want to try and you know, start off a fresh life again. I don't know the circumstances in which these people approach members of parliament and I might say members of parliament from both sides of politics.
But in relation to Cheryl Edwardes [sic] she said that the family presented a case where they wanted to start a fresh life and get on with it and she made her decision accordingly. These people weren't aware that there were drug charges....
'MURRAY':
But they know the rest of the Mickelbergs' past. I mean (indistinct) ...
'COURT'
Oh we all make ... well, that's right Paul. We all...look, I can assure you have a number of people who come to my office who have served a.... served their time in gaol and they're trying to get on with their lives, and you know, where you can, you help people that have...you know, they cop the punishment and get on with it.
In the case of the Mickelbergs, if they went to members of parliament and asked for references knowing that they had been committing further offences, you can't...and didn't tell the members of parliament, you can't blame the members of parliament, but it certainly puts the Mickelbergs in a pretty bad light.
I don't know the Mickelbergs, they certainly wouldn't get a reference from me, but in relation to...you know if someone was involved in their personal situation and wanted to give them a hand after they'd served their time in prison and I'd probably...
'MURRAY':
But what about Derrick Tomlinson? Look, Derrick Tomlinson is the head of a very sensitive parliament committee.
'COURT':
Sure.
'MURRAY':
Oversees the ACC. He writes character references for criminals.
'COURT':
No hang on, no hang on. A person who has been convicted, served their time and then when you come out from prison...you know, you've served your time. You've then got to get on with life and these people apparently wanted to go and start again in New Zealand and some members of parliament provided support for that to occur.
Look, Derrick Tomlinson... you would not find a finer, more upstanding member of parliament and for anyone to infer that he can't carry out his responsibilities without fear or favour has just go it wrong.
'MURRAY':
Well...
'COURT':
But Paul...
'MURRAY':
...but this is okay? This is a good judgment call then, is it?
'COURT':
Well Paul...
'MURRAY':
If I was a police officer I'd be horrified to have this bloke...
'COURT':
Paul, put it another way.
'MURRAY'
...heading up that committee.
'COURT'
I'll put it another way. If you knew someone that had been to prison, maybe a former politician or someone, they'd done their time and they had rehabilitated themselves and getting on with their life and they wanted some support, would you provide them with support?
'MURRAY'
If they... there's no question of rehabilitation here; these people are recidivist offenders. I mean they offended way before the Perth Mint swindle. Then there was the Yellow Rose of Texas (ph.sp) swindle. We know a lot about them.
'COURT'
Yeh, Paul I... look, I agree with you. Now that we know that they've been involved in drugs and just listening to that there's going to be what...a sentence handed down this morning. Look, I agree with you. I mean... and if these people have gone to members of parliament - which would appear they have - and not told them about those offences, they no longer deserve the time of day. And the members of parliament who were trying to do the right thing in assisting those people in need which we all do from time to time, they're probably quite embarrassed about what took place.
But in our society Paul, when someone's been convicted, they've done their time I'm sure many of us...I know I have on a number of occasions assisted people that have been in prison and want to get on again with their lives. But in the case of the Mickelbergs, look I tend to agree with you Paul. They have got an appalling track record. If they were genuinely rehabilitating themselves as individuals and as a family, well and good but it appears that's not the case.
'MURRAY':
Well, what do you say about the behaviour of your two Ministers then? Oh, sorry, one Minister and one very senior MLC?
'COURT':
Well, if those people weren't told the truth, I can't blame them. If they weren't told...if a family went to them and told them a story that they were back on tract, wanted to get on with their life when they knew that they were dealing in drugs, well that's simply being dishonest.
'MURRAY':
Premier, Mr Tomlinson wrote a letter to the New Zealand Immigration Minister and he said evidence had been put before a select committee into the police which he chaired which raised serious doubts about police evidence in the Perth Mint swindle case. Now, this wasn't a matter that was reported on by the committee. Is this a proper use of his position by Mr Tomlinson.
'COURT':
Look, I'm not aware of what Derrick's written to...what did you say, the New Zealand Immigration...
'MURRAY':
Immigration Minister.
'COURT':
I'm talking about the principle of you, members of parliament, anyone in our society providing assistance to people who have served their time in gaol. And I think as a society when people have you know been caught they've done their time, they're trying to get back on tract again, that's the principle I'm talking about.
I... in relation to the Mickelbergs Paul, I'd tend to agree with you; that their track record has not been good and certainly this latest incident... if they've gone and told members of parliament they're back on track when they know that they've been involved with drugs, that is totally unacceptable and those people shouldn't be give the time of day.
'MURRAY':
Well you said you know, in the paper yesterday that they'd deceived these two members of the Liberal Party.
'COURT':
Well they have, yeah.
'MURRAY'
Well I would have thought that you know that was a bit rich you know... by being surprised that the Mickelbergs would deceive anyone. I mean that's... I think the members of your party need to be more wary about their dealings don't they with people like this.
'COURT'
Well Paul, in our society you do the time, you come and out and you've got a chance to get on with your life. You've always got to carry the burden of the fact that you've committed an offence and you've been treated accordingly. In this case these people have again been deceitful and they'll get their just desserts."