What did you say to him?---What did I say? I said well what did you wake me up for, what's going on?
What did he say?---Am I allowed to use the same - - -
Yes?---I fucked up, I fucked up, I fucked up. And I said what do you mean, what do you mean? What are you talking about, what are you talking about?
Did he respond when you asked him that?---Yes.
What did he say?---He killed two people, they were murder [sic].
Did you ask him anything else about - - -?---Yes I asked him what do you mean, what do you mean? Yes.
Did he respond?---Yes.
What did he say?---He said we were fucking around if I remember correctly. Sorry about the language everybody. They were fucking around playing, just guys being guys I suppose on the piss. I don't know, they were just mucking around and one of the other, the other gentleman that passed away he had some object - yes.
HIS HONOUR: Yes. Perhaps - - -
MR HASTINGS: I object to the form of this, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Mr Djokic, what we want to know is exactly what he said. It doesn't matter what the language is?---Okay
But we do need to know the exact words that you say that Mr McDougall said at that time. So just try and concentrate on the exact words and just tell us what he said. Don't worry about the language?---Yes okay, thank you.
MR TODD: You indicate something about murdering two people. Did you ask him what he meant by that?---I asked him what happened, yes.
And he told you certain things?---Yes.
Can you tell the court what he told you happened?---He told me both of them were pretty blind and one guy, the guy that he murdered was swinging a meat cleaver, machete thing. I can't recall exactly that he said. He was just swinging it around and I said well what happened? And he said I blocked it and I said well what do you mean? He said I blocked it, I grabbed it and I swung it that way. And I said well what happened? He said he cut his throat.
We just need to put on the transcript the demonstrations you have made in respect of what Mr McDougall told you?---M'mm.
Earlier you indicated that the other gentleman was swinging the cleaver around or the machete?---Well he said he was mucking around.
Mucking around?---Yes.
Mr McDougall showed you how that gentleman was mucking around?---Yes.
What did he do when he showed you, that's Mr McDougall? Can you demonstrate for us what Mr McDougall demonstrated to you?---Well the other guy was swinging it around. Like he reckons he went like this. He kind of blocked it, he's grabbed it and he's swung it like that.
HIS HONOUR: Just pause there, Mr Djokic.
Thank you, Mr Todd, you can try and describe that.
MR TODD: I will.
We just need to get, Mr Djokic, each sequence onto the transcript so it [sic] someone reads it at a later time they know what you were doing?---Yes okay.
You said that Mr McDougall described the other person swinging the meat cleaver or machete around. Did Mr McDougall demonstrate in what hand the other gentleman had it?---No.
Did he use, did Mr McDougall use a particular hand when he was demonstrating that?---Yes.
What hand did he use?---Left.
When he was demonstrating with his left hand what was the action that Mr McDougall was demonstrating. Can we just show it? Now stop there. All right. I know this is difficult?---Yes, swinging it across this way at the gentleman that he took the object off, and straight in front of him.
All right. That's what Mr McDougall indicated to you, as I understand it, when he'd taken the weapon from the other gentleman?---Yes.
Right. If we can go back a couple of steps, where Mr McDougall said the other gentleman was swinging the meat cleaver or machete around?---Yes.
Mr McDougall demonstrated that?---Yes.
How did he demonstrate what the other man was doing? Right, stop there.
Did Mr McDougall use his left hand in demonstrating that, can you recall?---Yes.
When he was demonstrating that, you've indicated he had his left hand up in the air?---Yes.
And was moving it around in a circular motion?---Correct.
All right. Now, Mr McDougall then told you something about what he did - that is, what Mr McDougall did?---Yes.
What did he tell you he did?---He got it off him and swung it straight at him.
Right. Now, go back to the point where he took it off him - that is, Mr McDougall took it off the other gentleman. Did he demonstrate how he took it off him?---Yes, he just went like this, grabbed it like that.
Now, you are demonstrating what Mr McDougall showed you, with both hands up in the air?---Yes.
Just do that again, freeze it there. You have your left hand out extended, slightly bent at the elbow, and your right hand bent at the elbow, but over the top of the forearm of your left hand?---Yes.
That's what Mr McDougall demonstrated?---Yes.
MR HASTINGS: Level with his face?
MR TODD: Sorry?
MR HASTINGS: Level with his face?
MR TODD: Approximately level with your face?---Yes. He was standing right there, right next to me when he was showing me.
Now, Mr McDougall then told you something about what he did with the meat cleaver?---Yes.
What did he do?---He swung it straight at him.
First, before that, he took it from Mr - from the deceased man?---Yes.
Did he describe how he did that?---He blocked it, that's what he said, like, with his hands, and then somehow got it off him and then swung it straight back at him.
Right. And you are demonstrating, using your left hand?---Yes.
Is that the hand that Mr McDougall demonstrated to you?---Correct.
And it has a backward motion. If we would just start it again in slow motion, and it is a bent elbow around about your forearm around about slightly chest height?---Yes.
And you demonstrated moving in a backhand motion?---Yes.
Out to full extension or only part extension, did he describe?---Well, what he showed me was full extension.
All right. You just show me that for the purpose of this then. All right, and it's up in the air, slightly above shoulder level?---Yes, like that.
An upward swinging backhand motion?---Yes.
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MR TODD: Thank you. What did he say?---Straight after, he said basically - I said to him, if I remember, "Did you try to help him" after he cut him. And he said, "He was fucked." I said "What do you mean he was fucked?" He said, "He was fucked. He was dead" He said, "I finished him off."
Now, before that, when he was "He was fucked", did he describe why?---Because he said blood was pissing out of his throat. He said he cut him. I said, "Well, didn't you try to help him?" He said, he goes, "He was fucked. Blood was just pouring out of his throat."
And was this after he demonstrated to you what he did with that backhand motion?---Correct.
That you described to the court. Did he mention something about the man's throat?---There was blood pissing out of it.
And then he said something about he had to finish him off, I think your words were?---Yes.
All right. Did he say anything else?---No, he just - he went over and over - well, after when he said he finished him off, he basically dropped down and he just - you know, just showed me what he did.
What did he show you?---he hooked in, you know, like maybe 10 blows, just, yes, just went off his head.
You say he went to the ground when he showed you that?---Yes, yes.
What position was he in when he went on the ground?---Who, the - Scott?
Yes, when he was demonstrating to you what he did?---He was just leaning over like that.
All right. When you say "leaning over"---? ---Because the other gentleman had hit the ground basically, that's the way I looked at it, yes.
All right. And Scott was demonstrating something with his hand?---Yes.
Which hand was that?---Left.
And what was he doing?---Swinging downwards.
And was that - where was - was his arm above the shoulder?---Yes.
And coming down to what point?---Basically to the ground.
How many times did he do that?---Quite a few times when you look at the whole event when I had him in the house. Quite a few times. I don't know, 20, 30.
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Now, did he tell you why he was hooking in?---Well, I did - if I remember correct, I said to him, "Why didn't you try to help him?" He said, "He was finished, he was finished. He was fucked," so I finished him off.
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Did he saw anything else in respect of the deceased male at that time?---No, just "Fuck him".