Mr Gibson's credibility
51I did not find Mr Gibson to be a credible witness in important respects. His principal affidavit was silent on matters relevant to the Club's downturn in gaming revenue but did refer to a drop in bar revenue. His affidavit in reply did not give any details of what he had earlier noticed about downturn in gaming or bar revenue and its linkage to the defects yet his evidence in cross-examination is that he believed from 2010 when he started at the Club that the Club was losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a years in revenue because of the defects. This sits uncomfortably with his failure to mention anywhere in his reports to the Board or the members that the defects were having that effect. His cogent enumeration in those reports of other specified causes of the downturn without any reference to the defects repels the conclusion that he had formed the view that he says now he had. I did not find credible his explanation that he did not need to say anything because everyone knew about the leaks. The relevant point is not whether the Board and members knew about the leaks but rather whether they knew that the leaks were having the serious impact on revenue that the Club, in these proceedings, claims they were.
52I set out four passages of the transcript from his cross-examination:
At T121.19 - T122.21:
Q. So the estimates that you have been given at that stage in August 2011 was that for somewhere around the $30,000 to $40,000 mark, the leaks could be rectified?
A. There would be no guarantee of completely fixing them, but he thought he could do the work for that amount of money.
Q. Now you are saying to the Court, aren't you, that at this stage the club was suffering a loss of in excess of $500,000 profits just on the poker machines as a result of these leaks?
A. Yes.
Q. And had been suffering loses, and significant loses, on poker machines for some years by this time?
A. Yes.
Q. And it had also been suffering significant loses from its bar trading you say for some years as a result of water leaks?
A. Yes.
Q. There is no reference in this report to the fact that these leaks are causing loss of profits any loss of profits, is there?
A. No, the report was looking at fixing the problem.
Q. And there is certainly no reference to the leaks causing profits of several hundred thousand dollars each year to be lost?
A. No.
Q. And the reason that there is no reference to that is because it was not the case, the leaks were not causing loses of hundreds of thousands of dollars of profit a year, were they?
A. I disagree with that.
Q. I asked you a question to which you gave an answer yesterday that the club had I think some hundreds of thousands of dollars in bank accounts at this stage?
A. Yes.
Q. So it certainly had the money to pay that 30 or $40,000 to do the work that you were referring to at page 1090, didn't it?
A. Yes.
Q. The reason it didn't do that work was because it didn't have a lease over the premises?
A. That was one of the reasons.
Q. That was the only reason, wasn't it?
A. We weren't responsible to do the - we'd been advised we weren't responsible to do the work.
Q. The defendant wasn't doing it, and if it had been costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars of lost profit a year, you would have done it yourself if you had a lease, wouldn't you?
A. Possibly.
T127.44 - T128.28:
Q. You are saying to his Honour that in fact at this stage the club was losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as a result of these leaks?
A. Yes.
Q. And you say in this case the club had lost over two and a half million dollars by this stage as a result of leaks?
A. If that's the correct number, yes.
Q. The solicitors haven't mentioned it in this letter, though?
A. No.
Q. I want to put to you the reason it hasn't been mentioned is because you hadn't told them that?
A. I had told them.
Q. You hadn't said to them that the club was losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in profits each year as a result of these leaks, had you?
A. Yes. Possibly not in those exact words, but I said we are definitely losing a hell of a lot of money because people aren't returning to the club because of the condition of the building.
Q. Did you see this letter before it was sent out?
A. Probably not. I couldn't say.
Q. Do the solicitors, before they send a letter off on the club's behalf, send a copy of it to you to approve?
A. Yes, I think so, yeah.
Q. They do?
A. Yeah.
Q. So, you would have seen this letter and approved it before it was sent to Mr Bowen?
A. Yes.
T130.09-40:
Q. When you spoke to the solicitors, did you tell them that the club was suffering a loss of profits as a result of the water leaks?
A. Yes.
Q. And how much did you tell them the club was losing?
A. I don't think I put a specific number on it. I said
Q. Would you say it was a large amount or a small amount or what did you say?
A. I could have said something in terms of hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I can't recall exactly. They knew
HIS HONOUR: Don't tell us what they knew, please.
WITNESS: Sorry.
A. I made it clear it was a substantial amount.
HARRIS
Q. You made it clear that the club was losing a substantial amount, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars per year as a result of the water leaks?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you say to them the problem with the water leaks is that we can't renovate the club because of those leaks?
A. That would have been included, yes.
Q. You said that to them. Did you say to them "that the appearance of the club and its unrenovated condition is what is actually causing the loss of profits that we're suffering from"; did you say that to them?
A. Yes.
T226.07-.22 (in re-examination):
Q. When was the first time that you actually sat down yourself and sought to put a number for your own purposes on what that trading loss was?
A. After I saw the McLean report.
Q. When did you see the McLean report for the first time?
A. Four weeks ago, something like.
Q. During the period from 2010 to when you saw the McLean report did you yourself make any attempt to calculate or assess the quantum of the trading loss?
A. I knew that we were losing money.
HIS HONOUR
Q. No, what you were asked
A. Sorry. No I did not.
53There is an inconsistency in Mr Gibson's evidence in that he asserts in re-examination that the first time that he sought to put a number on the trading loss was after he saw Mr McLean's report but his evidence in cross-examination was that he had told the Club's lawyers in April 2012 that the Club was losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as a result of the leaks (T127-128). I do not accept that Mr Gibson told the Club's lawyers that the Club was losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as a result of the leaks because:
(a)There is no reference to such losses in the solicitors' letters.
(b)On his own evidence at T226.07-22 he said he did not put a number on what the trading loss was until a few weeks ago.
(c)In the earlier proceedings no claim was made for loss of profits and even in these proceedings the Statement of Claim did not include such a claim (the claim for loss of profits was introduced by an Amended Statement of Claim in April 2014). Even when the Club made a demand by letter of 19 June 2013 and by letter of 8 July 2013 (Tab 379 pp 1721-1724 and Tab 385 p 1743) no claim was made that the Club had suffered a loss of revenue although it did in the correspondence make a claim for $15,000 additional insurance premium (a claim which it has not pursued in these proceedings). If the Club had suffered the loss of revenue due to the defects in the premises that Mr McLean (and Mr Gibson) asserts it had suffered it would amount to a loss of at least $2 million by the end of 2012.
(d)There are references to leaks in the Board minutes: see Tabs 35, 153, 157, 158, 200 and 218, and it is noted that the matter has been put in the hand of the Club's solicitors (Tab 228) but there is no such suggestion anywhere in either the Board minutes or Mr Gibson's reports to the Board that leaks were causing any revenue loss (let alone significant revenue loss) and there are explanations given by Mr Gibson in which he articulates other reasons (and entirely credible ones) for the downturn in revenue.
(e)When the Club, and later the Club's solicitors, did write to the Custodian about the state of the premises they did not mention that the Club was suffering any downturn in revenue because of the defects. I infer that that is because the Club did not inform the solicitors that the Club had suffered such a downturn because of the defects and I infer that they did not inform the Club's solicitors because they did not perceive that the leaks had had any material impact on the Club's revenue.
(f)Mr Gibson's explanation as to why he did not point out the absence of any reference to losses in the solicitor's letter, namely that he thought it was not necessary to do so, is difficult to accept, and even more so is his explanation that in enumerating the reasons for the downturn in revenue he did not tell the Board of the connection which he says he had perceived between the downturn in revenue and the defects, because the Board knew.
(g)There was discussion in the Board minutes in respect of the loss of revenue as a result of problems in the auditorium (see Tab 225 p 1117, Tab 226 p 1122 and Tab 234 p1158) and this was the subject of a letter from Mr Gibson to the Sub-Branch (see Tab 162 p 869) and problems with the first floor were the subject of a letter from the Club's solicitors to the Custodian (Tab 264 p 1282) in which the Club's solicitors warned:
"We note that presently our client's business is being significantly affected by its inability to access and make use of the first floor of the property"
Those references, and the claim for $15,000 increased insurance premium to which I have earlier referred, are the only references in the internal documents or the correspondence sent by the Club or its solicitors to loss or quantification of loss as result of problems in the premises.
54I think that Mr Gibson's evidence generally needs to be approached with considerable caution. He sought to resile from opinions that he had expressed to the Board prior to the advancement in this case of a claim for lost profit (as an example see T46.48-T47.02, T62.39-64.43, T68.07-17 and T70.30) and a number of times he sought to avoid questions by giving non-responsive answers (for example T 49.44, T57.46-48, T59.11-25, T64.15 33, T65.10-30, and T226.14-22). I gained the impression that he was endeavouring to minimise the problems which he had himself recognised in 2010-2012 because those earlier expressed opinions were inconsistent with the case now being advanced by the Club. I do not accept his evidence that he ever formed the view that the Club was losing significant revenue by reason of the defects and I find that he, in 2011, assessed the causes of the significant and alarming revenue loss as being those set out in [44] above.