HER HONOUR: Yes please, I'll have the note. Thank you. This is actually revealing the voting, as it were, which presents a difficulty, because I have here the votes as they are for the jury in relation to each count.
PROSECUTOR: I think we at the Bar Table don't need to know that at all.
HER HONOUR: No, I don't think you do. I don't think it should be read out. So I think that's what I'll do. I'll send you home and we'll come back tomorrow morning and we'll just see where we go, having a fresh start in the morning. You can come earlier if you wish to; I can come in earlier. Or if you want to come in at half past nine or ten, you're welcome to do that, and I will be here from ten o'clock on. Yes?
FOREPERSON: I'm just wondering if we come back tomorrow, (indistinct) the last day (indistinct) Monday again. (Indistinct).
HER HONOUR: I doubt very much if it'll carry on until Monday. So that's about all I can say. You know, and I presume that your discussions have been fruitful if you've got to this point, so I'm going to leave it overnight and then we'll look at it tomorrow morning with fresh eyes. Thank you. So I'll get the jury taken out, thank you. There's one thing I ought to say, sorry, before you go, and that is you understood, didn't you, that you have to consider the alternative counts in the alternative. So you look at Count 1, for example, and you only look at Count 2 if you acquit, if you find not guilty on Count 1, and if you find guilty on Count 1 you don't look at Count 2, and so on through those pairs of offences. All right, thank you very much.
FOREPERSON: Could you just repeat that?
HER HONOUR: Yes, I can. Each of those counts, the first eight counts, relate to the same circumstances, four different sets of circumstances, and there are two counts in relation to each time there's an allegation. So when the first count in each pair of those counts is rape, and the second count is sexual penetration of a child under 16, first you look at the first count and if you were to find guilty on the rape count then you wouldn't look at the sexual penetration. If you find not guilty on the rape count, then you look to the sexual penetration, which doesn't require any consent elements, it's, yes, made up, because of the age of the girl. All right? So if you need any other clarification on that, I will give it to you in the morning, but that's just because you seem to have considered every count and I'm just giving you that instruction. All right, thank you.
FOREPERSON: (Indistinct).
HER HONOUR: Tomorrow morning? Well, they can come and start deliberating, if you work out a time with Mr Smith. All right. Is there some - - -
FOREPERSON: I was only going to, just to question, Your Honour, in relation to that on the counts.
HER HONOUR: Yes.
FOREPERSON: If we were unable to come to unanimousness on the first count, the jury may then start to go to the second count.
HER HONOUR: Yes.
FOREPERSON: If you cannot find a unanimous decision on the first count, in the way the court words it, it's OK to then discuss the second count to see if we can come to unanimousness. Is that - that's what I'm trying to gather if you're saying. So as in guilty or not guilty, but if it's not unanimous - - -
HER HONOUR: You could then move to the second count. Do you want to say anything about that?
PROSECUTOR: Perhaps in the absence of the jury.
HER HONOUR: Yes.
PROSECUTOR: Perhaps if Your Honour could raise it again with the jury tomorrow morning.
HER HONOUR: I'll raise all this tomorrow morning again, and I'll just go through it, and anyway, I have to say you've clearly been very diligent and taken it all very seriously and I thank you for that, and so we'll just see how we get on tomorrow morning. Thank you.[15]