Annexure A
2GB INTERVIEW BETWEEN RAY HADLEY AND GLEN, 21 MAY 2008
RAY HADLEY: Oh, dear, I've been wanting to talk about this for months but I haven't been able to. You might remember last year I covered a disturbing story about the owner of Seafood Lovers at Carlingford Court, that's a retail fish and chip type seafood shop. Emran Ahmed is this low life's name. He was convicted of the aggravated indecent assault of a beautiful 17-year old who had just been employed by him, you know, school kids do this, they work in retail in shopping centres and mums and dads, like me and others, send them off to work believing they're safe. But this wasn't the case. This low life was given a 12 month suspended sentence - he should have been gaoled. Anyway, he had the temerity and the audacity to appeal the sentence - his conviction and the sentence. This has been ongoing for quite some time but it finally came before the good Justice Ellis yesterday in the Parramatta District Court and I'm terribly pleased to tell you that Justice Ellis said to Emran Ahmed and his vile supporters, and you know who you are out there, who attend the court with him and champion his cause despite the fact that he's a deviant, anyway, they were there no doubt yesterday supporting this low life who's now got this 12 month suspended sentence confirmed.
I have spoken to the victim's father previously and I don't know whether there was cause for celebration in his household last night but at least they got some justice for their daughter, and he's on the line right now. Glen, g'day.
GLEN: How are you, Ray?
RAY HADLEY: Good thank you, mate. It's been a long slow process, hasn't it?
GLEN: It's been 18 months since the assault was made on my daughter, and yeah, it's been heartbreaking really when you consider what the family has been through um, you know, everybody involved, it's just so hard on the whole family. You know, I just want to point out he didn't, he didn't challenge his sentence, Ray, because his sentence was a slap over the wrist.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah.
GLEN: What he, what he did he just challenged the conviction. He wanted the clean slate.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah.
GLEN: 'Cause what see, he, he was basically going on about ah, or his barrister was talking about his good character. Well, you know, he handed that good character in the day that he assaulted my daughter.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah, and this is the only time he's been caught, it doesn't mean it's the only time he's done this type of thing.
GLEN: You're right there, yeah.
RAY HADLEY: Um, these other people that I saw back in November supporting this fellow, do they work with him or know him, what's their involvement with him?
GLEN: Well, I haven't been up there since the last time I spoke to you back in, I think it was November I think the last time I spoke to you, so I'm assuming that they, they still work there um, you know, there were a few other people there over the last couple of days that I didn't recognise though--
RAY HADLEY: He's prevented from going there, is that correct, did that stand in place?
GLEN: As, as far as I know it still, still stands. So, you know, again not going up there I don't know and um, you know, I couldn't care less whether I went up there again and until, you know, they're out of that shop altogether.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah. Just is it right, and I don't wish to embarrass you here, is this right - and I'm getting some information second-hand, so I've got to be a bit careful - is it right that someone has taken an AVO against, against you, the victim's father, is this correct?
GLEN: Ah, not the victim's father um, it's actually it's his wife that's taken it out on me um, but I can't really talk about that at the moment because I'm challenging that. Um, the AVO was handed to me when I was overseas, or it was passed to me when I was overseas, I was in America, that was in February this year, 13 months after the assault.
RAY HADLEY: So, well, you're challenge--
GLEN: I don't know why it was done.
RAY HADLEY: --we're challenging, you've challenged it, we can't talk about that challenge.
GLEN: Yeah.
RAY HADLEY: But you are telling me that you're the father of the victim, but the wife of the perpetrator--
GLEN: Yep.
RAY HADLEY: --has taken an AVO against you--
GLEN: Yep.
RAY HADLEY: --alleging what?
GLEN: I don't know whether I was stalking - she's talking about stalking her and something about her daughter and all this type of stuff. It's just farcical, it's a joke.
RAY HADLEY: So in real terms this hasn't finished for you yet, you've got confirmation yesterday that his appeal against conviction was dismissed by Justice Ellis--
GLEN: Yep.
RAY HADLEY: --but now you've got to go back to court because this dirty low bastard attacked your daughter because his wife is alleging that you're stalking him and his - or her and her family.
GLEN: That's right. See, Ray, he, his sentence finished in, I think, June this year.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah.
GLEN: Well, there's the AVO on me stops me from going to Carlingford Court till February next year, I suppose, you know, I think the AVO's last for a year. I've got a sentence equivalent to him.
RAY HADLEY: As far as attending your local shopping centre is concerned.
GLEN: Yeah, yeah.
RAY HADLEY: What - you can't go in the vicinity of Carlingford Court because she's gone to the court, and you've had no right of reply, you haven't refuted these allegations because you've had no opportunity to do it?
GLEN: I wasn't even in the country when, when the um, you know, when it was passed on to me that ..(not transcribable).. this AVO.
RAY HADLEY: Well, who, who gave her that AVO, who decided that you were guilty of doing what she alleges you did?
GLEN: Blacktown Court as far I know. I don't know enough about that side of it, Ray, I really didn't--
RAY HADLEY: God, strike me.
GLEN: --look too much, I've just gone straight to my solicitors and, you know, they're looking after that.
RAY HADLEY: Mm.
GLEN: But look, I want, I want to talk about the good that's come out of this. Um, my daughter she's going, you know, pretty good um--
RAY HADLEY: Well, she was studying for her Higher School Certificate when all this happened, wasn't she, this--
GLEN: That's right.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah.
GLEN: And another thing, Ray, was, you know, she was doing the um, the Duke of Edinburgh, she, she has, she was, she's done everything on, she's up to the Gold Level--
RAY HADLEY: Yeah.
GLEN: --she's done the, the camping out, the whole lot. The only thing she hasn't done is the community service--
RAY HADLEY: Mm.
GLEN: --and this mongrel basically stopped her from doing that, you know, she just wasn't into the community service side of it since this, this all happened.
RAY HADLEY: Mm.
GLEN: But as far as I'm concerned she's done the community a service, you know, she's, ha, she's fantastic, you know, they way--
RAY HADLEY: I know, I know, I don't know her, I don't know you but by reputation I know you and you are upstanding people as she is--
GLEN: Yeah, yeah.
RAY HADLEY: --as she is.
GLEN: Well, another thing, Ray, this Justice Ellis he was brilliant, you know, like I mean he didn't cop any crap from the barrister and all that, he was just, you know, he talked about predators and victims and um, this Emran Ahmed he's a predator, you know, and these predators they seek out victims, they don't, they don't attack every young good-looking girl that walks by, they, they look for the weak or the vulnerable and maybe, you know, there's a chance here and I'll, I'll go for, you know.
RAY HADLEY: Mm.
GLEN: And that's, that's what they do and the judge just pinpointed him, you know, that was, that's what he did. And all his supporters there, I, I can't believe--
RAY HADLEY: Were they there again, the cheer squad there again yesterday?
GLEN: There was more there on the first day, which was on Monday.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah.
GLEN: And then they filled it out a bit on the, ah, yesterday, you know, there was only, I think, I don't know who, the old guy and the, the old woman there.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah, I think they're related to him, in-laws or something like that from what I understand--
GLEN: Yeah, yeah.
RAY HADLEY: --from what someone identified them as, yeah. Well, I hope they listen to Judge Ellis yesterday, Justice Ellis.
GLEN: Oh, I don't know whether they do, I don't know, I mean, you know.
RAY HADLEY: Well, you can't put brains in statues, Glen.
GLEN: You've just got to remember that this, he's, yesterday was the second time he's been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubts.
RAY HADLEY: Mm.
GLEN: And yesterday my daughter didn't have to be there, he didn't have to be there, it was in text, it was all black and white. His barrister was trying to discredit my daughter, everything. That's, that's his barrister's job. You know, at one stage the barrister even said why my beautiful 17-year old blonde daughter walked out there, out of his premises after work in tears was because Emran had turned her advances down. So we had to listen to this crap.
RAY HADLEY: What - this dirty filthy old bloke in the Seafood Lovers shop had knocked back the beautiful 17-year old blonde's advances, that's what the--
GLEN: Forty-four year old--
RAY HADLEY: Oh ..(not transcribable)..
GLEN: --as far as I'm concerned, ugly looking baldy man.
RAY HADLEY: Mm, he knocked back the advances of a very attractive 17year old?
GLEN: Yeah.
RAY HADLEY: That's what the - and no wonder Justice Ellis dismissed him.
GLEN: Oh, I tell you, it was a female barrister um, you know, just, just went on--
RAY HADLEY: A female barrister.
GLEN: Yeah.
RAY HADLEY: Yeah, fair dinkum. Anyway, they're guns for hire, they say, they don't say what they mean, they say what their client best, is best advantaged. Not what they believe, it's what is best advantaging their client.
GLEN: That's right, yeah.
RAY HADLEY: Anyway--
GLEN: Look, I just want to point out we, we had um, Detective Dave Parmeter there yesterday, he's a strong, strong of character and caring guy and Constable Emily Petreska--
RAY HADLEY: Yeah.
GLEN: --she was there on her day off, she's got a, I think a six-month old baby and a six-year old daughter and she came there on her day off just offer us support, you know.
RAY HADLEY: Good coppers.
GLEN: Oh, I tell you, absolutely fantastic, Eastwood Police. And, and they, look, basically last night what we did, we went out um, to a local restaurant, the family um, we made a toast to us, you know, like our family and to justice and, you know, we just enjoyed dinner and, you know, you had the usual banter and all that and um, basically, well time's a great healer and, you know, we're all progressing pretty good.
RAY HADLEY: All right, mate, you're a good father, you're a good fellow.
GLEN: Yeah.
RAY HADLEY: Let me know what happens with the other business, will you?
GLEN: Thanks, Ray, will do.
RAY HADLEY: Thanks, mate, good to talk to you.
GLEN: Bye.
RAY HADLEY: That's the father of a 17-year old indecently assaulted by this grub, Emran Ahmed. Now, let me just go through and I don't want to raise it again with Glen, because he's in the healing process, in case you missed it.
She was 17, attractive blonde girl working her fourth shift on the 27 January back in 2006, I think from memory - oh, no, on fact on the 23 December 2006 she started working. So by the 27 January 2007 she's working her fourth shift. During that shift Emran Ahmed they were alone in the shop when a third staff member was on a break. He asked that 17-year old girl - this grubby old 44-year old, and I say old with due respect because I'm older than that, but he's old compared to her - questions about her personal life. Then the third staff member came back and then went home leaving this young lady and this grub, Emran Ahmed, to count the day's takings. He turned all the lights off in the shop, he entered the cool room, the young lady entered the cool room. He attempted to massage her shoulders, neck and rubbed her arm, she moved away. She, he then started to ask her about her sexual experiences, offered her the chance to have sex with him. He then tried to kiss her neck and shoulders, she kept saying no, she was in shock. He kept making sexual comments in the cool room, kept asking her for sex, she kept saying no. He grabbed her, he tried to fondle her shoulders, he moved his hands to her breasts, she repeatedly said, "Stop, stop". He then tried to put his hand down her pants, she struggled. He made further requests for sex. Eventually she escaped. She went to the rear exit, it was locked. She then came back trying to escape through the front, he placed his hands on her shoulders, led her to a desk and asked her to lie down, she wouldn't. He began thrusting his genitals into the lower portion of her body. She escaped and she made a complaint to police. And there's people defending this grub.
Well, I don't - I'll try and find out, can we find out from Carlingford Court if this grub and his family still own the shop, I don't want to turn people away from the shop if he's no longer connected with it. But I'm telling you now, if he's connected with it - and I was up at Carlingford Court about a month and half ago and I saw where the shop is and it's opposite the supermarket there, and I don't wish any ill of people that may own it now - but if this bloke has any connection with it and his grub of a wife, they should completely and utterly be sent out of business. Disgraceful.