[109] According to Mr Abarra's evidence, his comments were selective and not just random. He submitted that he used flattering comments of a personal nature in an attempt to manage the female employees' perception of him as well as their behaviour. For those reasons Mr Abarra was of the view his conduct was justifiable and perfectly acceptable.
[110] In cross-examination Mr Abarra, referring to the young female TFTs, said he appreciated the "hard work they've done on their face" and he would tell them "you look great". Mr Abarra said sometimes when the young female TFTs were discussing their make-up he liked to join in and tell them "oh you look great, you look great, you know, just to make them feel happy or feel motivated".[143] Mr Abarra again did not think there was anything wrong with having discussions of this nature with the young female TFTs who reported to him, and sought to justify his comments in a way that portrayed this group of females as needing his compliments so that they didn't "think negatively" of themselves and "to lift their image up".[144]
[111] Ms Vasilije gave evidence that on a number of occasions Mr Abarra approached her on the production line or in the Group Room and made comments about her tongue piercings, such as "when can I feel them?" and "when can I kiss your lips?".[145] Mr Abarra confirmed that he asked Ms Vasilije about her tongue ring, however says that he had asked her "for educational purposes" and he gave her the option of either answering or not.[146]
[112] Ms Vasilije gave evidence about Mr Abarra asking her to socialise with him outside of work by hosting a barbecue. Mr Abarra's evidence was that he suggested Ms Vasilije could organise a social gathering herself and invite others as that way she could have a drink with the other team members. He submitted that he did so as Ms Vasilije had complained to him that she wished she could drink with her colleagues however because she was on her P-plates she couldn't go to the clubs and drink.[147] Mr Abarra made the point that he did not invite Ms Vasilije to have a beer and barbecue with him but rather recommended she have one and then it was up to her as to whether or not she invited him.[148]
[113] Ms Vasilije also gave evidence that on one occasion Mr Abarra approached her, looked at her chest and told her she was 'flat chested'. She submitted that Mr Abarra seemed to think the comment was a joke as he laughed when he said it, although she did not find this funny.[149] Mr Abarra denied making this comment. In cross-examination his evidence was "she's the one that said "Homer I got flat chest", and that he told Ms Vasilije not to worry because it's "not about the figure, it's about what's inside".[150]
[114] Regardless of which version of events is accepted Mr Abarra, a 50 year old Group Leader, did not think that engaging in discussions of this nature with a young female trainee TFT was in any way inappropriate. Mr Abarra's own evidence was that Ms Vasilije, from within the first week or two of her employment, started discussing her private life with him such as dating, sex and problems at home with her family.[151]
[115] Mr Tran gave evidence that he had been witness to Mr Abarra paying compliments such as "you are beautiful" and that he would say that "to any girl in there".[152] However, under further cross-examination Mr Tran's evidence was that he would only say these things to Ms Vasilije and Ms Toos.[153]
[116] Ms Toos and Ms Szydlowski supported Mr Abarra's evidence that he would often give compliments to members of the Sealer Group about their appearance. Ms Toos interpreted the comments from Mr Abarra as friendly and complimentary.[154] Ms Szydlowski's evidence was that she interpreted Mr Abarra as saying 'nice things' because he wanted to make people feel like they want to come to work.[155]
[117] Ms Iwunze gave evidence that Mr Abarra had paid compliments to "a lot of Sealer Group Workers" and that it did not occur to her that there could be any issue with anything Mr Abarra had said. Her evidence was that everyone would speak to everyone like this. [156] The allegation made by Ms Vasilije that Mr Abarra had told Ms Vasilije that she was flat chested was put to Ms Iwunze in cross-examination, and Ms Iwunze advised she didn't hear it that way, however the comment sounded familiar. On re-examination she said she didn't recall Mr Abarra saying this. [157]
[118] Ms Iwunze's also gave evidence that she herself had received a number of compliments from Mr Abarra regarding her appearance and that he had told her she was a princess. [158]
[119] Ms Nguyen gave similar evidence being that Mr Abarra would tell her she looked beautiful or he would complement her on her hair and that his comments made her feel happy.[159]
[120] Ms Talevski described Mr Abarra as being friendlier towards women at work than towards the men. Ms Talevski in cross-examination abandoned her earlier reference to Mr Abarra as sleazy, stating that it was not the word she had chosen to use, and instead her evidence was that he would approach women in a way that was not particularly proper.[160] Ms Talevski also gave evidence that the conduct of Mr Abarra and Ms Szydlowski was of no concern to her.[161] In context I took this to mean that Ms Talevski thought it was not her business, nor did she want to get involved.
[121] Mr Rehman gave evidence that was consistent with the evidence of Mr Abarra, Ms Iwunze, Ms Toos, Ms Vasilije and Ms Szydlowski, that he had heard Mr Abarra make comments to female employees about their appearance. This included comments to Ms Icbudak and Ms Szydlowski such as "how beautiful they were and how gorgeous they were"[162] He also gave evidence that Mr Abarra had made comments to him to the effect of "what do you think their size is?" when referring to Ms Madanu.[163] He explained during cross-examination because of the way Mr Abarra generally talks and the way he behaves he took this to mean that Mr Abarra was referring to Ms Madanu's breasts.[164] Mr Abarra denied this allegation and gave evidence that he could only imagine he was referring to the size of Ms Madanu's overalls.[165]
[122] Mr Rehman also gave evidence that Mr Abarra said words to the effect of "what do you think the size of her breasts are?" when referring to Ms Vasilije.[166] Mr Abarra denied this allegation. Mr Rehman's evidence on this matter was at times confusing however I did not find him to be inconsistent, Mr Rehman was trying to explain the reference to breast was an insinuation by Mr Abarra. Mr Rehman had drawn an inference from what he perceived to be the mind-set of Mr Abarra. However, in my view whilst the evidence does not establish that Mr Abarra used the term "breast" he provided no explanation for why he would be referring to either Ms Madanu's or Ms Vasilije's overalls.
[123] Ms Souliyavong had a friendly relationship with Mr Abarra and had contacted him shortly after he was dismissed to find out what had happened. Ms Souliyavong held no animosity towards Mr Abarra and she gave uncontrived and frank answers, including that she would have no problem with Mr Abarra returning to work if "he changed his behaviour".[167] Ms Souliyavong made a number of allegations against Mr Abarra which included asking her out after work, asking if she had good looking friends he could employ and asking questions about her sexual activities on days off.[168]
[124] Mr Abarra denied each of her allegations.[169] Ms Souliyavong made concessions during cross-examination about Mr Abarra asking her out and submitted that she could not be certain of the reasons that Mr Abarra was asking her to go out after work.[170] Ms Souliyavong stood firm on her allegation that Mr Abarra asked her if she had a good looking friend he could employ.[171] Mr Abarra's evidence on this matter was that it was possible he said such a thing however it would have been a joke.[172]
[125] Ms Souliyavong's evidence was that Mr Abarra had asked if she had "boom boom" on her day off and "did she do it on the weekend".[173] According to Mr Abarra it was Ms Souliyavong who used the term "boom boom" when he told her he was exhausted. His evidence was that they laughed at the time and he would accept those sorts of comments from her.[174]
[126] Ms Souliyavong described an incident in which she heard Ms Szydlowski say to Mr Abarra, whilst holding a banana, "the banana is bigger than your one" to which Mr Abarra responded "my one is bigger."[175] This was denied by Ms Szydlowski. However Mr Abarra recalled the exchange and his evidence was that it was Ms Ngo who made the comment and it was Ms Szydlowski who was holding the banana.[176] In cross-examination Mr Abarra's evidence was as follows;