"But the next week you were fired up in relation to the appeal, weren't you?---No.
All right. Well, the term's probably a bit extravagant but what you did during that week was to make a number of phone calls to various doctors, psychologists, lawyers and so forth for the purposes of strapping up your appeal?---Well, there was a process I had to go through to - to get through the appeal and I needed the assistance of these professional people and I had to search for who was the most appropriate.
I won't take you through them again because Mr Purnell drew your attention to them on the chart, but you rang a number of doctors during that week?---Yes.
Starting from The Royal College of Australia New Zealand Psychiatrists, I think it was?---Yes.
Looking for names of psychiatrists in the field, were you?---Looking for - yes, I suppose, yes.
And in ringing some psychiatrists?---Yes.
Dr Nielsen was a psychiatrist, is he?---I believe so.
Was he from the Paddington Practice?---I believe that's where he practised from, yes.
Were you generally aware of the need to produce some evidence of that type if your appeal was to have any prospects of success?---I'm sorry, the type of?
Psychiatrists?---Well, I was looking for something so that could possibly support us if the fresh evidence was allowed.
Well, you'd need to negative the effects of Antoinette Harmer's report, would you not?---Yes, probably a fair comment.
Had you also looked for new solicitors that week?---No.
One of the calls on the 23rd is to Ray Swift and Associates, Solicitors, do you remember ringing them?---Yes.
Are they your current lawyers?---No.
Lawyers who'd been representing you in the Family Court?---No, they previously were the ones who arranged Deed of Agreement [sic].
Sorry, what?---They arranged the deed of agreement for me.
And is Ms Moutrage ... from that firm?---Yes, she's the lawyer that actually handles my matter, or handled my matter.
But not the lawyers who acted for you at the hearing in the Family Court?---No, she started off in the Family Court.
You also spoke to Christine Paynter during that week, did you not?---Yes.
And discussed with her the prospects of her being able to provide some sort of report which would assist your appeal?---There was two things there, one to see how she could help me, and the second was to see - reading the documentation of Antoinette Harmer and her - Antoinette's handwritten notes to see if she could help in any way with the appeal.
When you say help you, do you mean help you with some counselling?---Yes.
Did you feel that you needed that?---Well, maybe. She probably thought it - well, that's why she suggested - she thought it would be a good thing.
And what did you think?---I agreed. That's why we made a further appointment.
And why did you think you needed some counselling?---Just to help me think things through and just get around things, help me be comfortable with things.
What sort of things?---Just the way I was feeling that, you know, this had happened and what was my next step, and do I take the stay matter back, and so we discussed a range of things.
Well, she wasn't a lawyer, was she? So she wasn't there to give you legal advice?---No, no, no.
How were you feeling?---Upset.
Angry?---I suppose at times, yes.
Is that why you wanted some assistance from her to help you with your anger?---Well, initially I hadn't thought about myself, I was thinking about the children, but it was her suggestion that she does it, I don't know, may be she was - maybe she thought that would help me, and maybe she thought that was good for her practice.
Did she give you some counselling?---Yes.
What day was that?---I think it was around the 26th or thereabouts we had a session.
I think those names were drawn to your attention this morning, but the Canberra Psychiatry Group. Is that somebody who you contacted for assistance?---Yes.
Lee Leonard, a psychiatrist from Elizabeth Street in the city, Sydney, presumably?---Yes, that was one of the names I'd received from the association.
And the others, I think, Mr Purnell mentioned this morning, Dr Waters, Dr Potter, Dr Dureck?---Yes, they're all people that I'd received from the societies to contact.
Silk Chambers was somebody who contacted you - Silk Chambers Pty Ltd, was there a lawyer from there?---They're - that's a chambers for counsel.
Right. Had you been looking for counsel?---No, no, they were doing some work for me with the appeal.
Is it fair to say that you spent a fair bit of your time that week, that is the week after you received the news on 20 September, exploring options for the appeal - or an appeal?---No, I hadn't explored options for the appeal. I was exploring the next stages of the appeal.
And did that include the sort of evidence and other assistance that you might need to run an appeal?---Yes.
Did it become clear to you that money was going to be a major issue in relation to mounting an appeal of the type that was necessary?---No, my indications from my legal representative, Mr Lardner, was that I had more than sufficient funds to run an appeal.
Was it correct that Legal Aid was no longer available to you?---I never applied for an appeal.
So any appeal would be privately funded?---Yes.
Did Mr Lardner tell you how much money would be involved in mounting an appeal?---Yes.
How much was that?---He said somewhere between $8,000 to $20,000.
Before you abandoned the appeal, as you said, this afternoon, how much money had you spent?---On the appeal?
Yes?---Less than $2,000 at that stage.
Did you pay Mr Lardner for that?---Sorry, are you talking about prior to Ana's - - -
No, I'm talking about when you finally abandoned it?---Okay, sorry, no, I'd probably spent about $4,500 to $5,000.
You paid Mr Lardner that?---Well, it was not only to Mr Lardner, there was various parties and things that needed to be done along the way, such as acquiring the transcripts.
Have you paid Mr Lardner?---Yes, I did pay Mr Lardner for that, yes.
But you're in dispute with Mr Lardner over legal fees, aren't you?---Not for the issue of the appeal.
Was it the fact by the end of the week, when you'd made these various efforts in relation to the appeal, that you were beginning to despair of your prospects on appeal?---No.
Did you take the view that your chances of overturning the decision were becoming low?---No.
Did you realise that the findings of fact made by the judge, Purdy J, the chances of getting the decision overturned were going to be remote?---My advice was we had a better than not success [sic].
HIS HONOUR: Better than not?
MR PURNELL: Better than not.
MR HASTINGS: Did you tell Mr Polkinghorne that the proceedings had not gone well?---Well, Mr Polkinghorne on many occasions asked me how things were going, and that was possibly one of the discussions or questions he asked me.
Did you tell him that your wife had lied and got away with it?---Probably not in those words, but yes.
Did you tell Daphne Hillier that you'd had to tell Daniel that you couldn't take it any further because you'd run out of money?---No.
Did you hear her say that in evidence?---I did actually, yes.
I see. What was she mistaken was she?---Well I'm not - not exactly sure what she was talking about, or what she was going to, but - - -
Did you ever have a conversation with her about whether you'd be able to take the matter any further?---I rarely had conversations with Daphne.
Did you ever have a conversation with her when you told her something to the effect that you wouldn't be able to take it any further?---No, I would've been discussing it with my father.
Well, was there an occasion when she - did you discuss it with you[r] father and tell him that you'd had to tell Daniel that you couldn't take it any further because you'd run out of money?---No.
Had you run out of money?---No.
Was that the point at which you decided you should take the law into your own hands?---No.
The end of that week, had you decided that there was little prospect of you going through the Family Court in order to regain custody of your children?---No.
Had you decided that you'd have to take the law into your own hands?---No.
Did you go there on the Monday night and strangle Ana?---No."