Paragraph 12: 'The accused said, 'Yes'.'
Paragraph 13:
'Constable Wahhab had a video recorder for the purpose of conducting a record of interview with the accused. I said to the accused, 'Do you wish to ring a solicitor for legal advice?.'
Paragraph 14: 'The accused did not comment'.
Paragraph 15:
'I said to the accused, 'We are going to ask you some questions in relation to the poisoning of your wife with the intention of murdering her on 26 August 2006. You do not have to say or do anything if you do not want to, do you understand that?'.'
Paragraph 16: 'The accused said, 'Yes'.'
Paragraph 17:
'I said, 'We will record what you say or do. We can use this recording in court. Do you understand that?'. The accused said, 'Yep'.'
Paragraph 19:
'I said, 'The interview will be recorded by Constable Wahhab with this video camera, do you understand that?' The accused said, 'Yes but no interview for me'. I said, 'Can I come back tomorrow or the next day to interview you with regards to this matter? and the accused said, 'I call my lawyer first'" (pp 212 - 213).
19 Her Honour held that there was a reasonable excuse for the purposes of s 281(2)(a)(ii) because "the police were unable to put the admissions to the [appellant] because he did not wish to engage in an electronically recorded interview" (p 214). Her Honour rejected the submission made by counsel for the appellant that there was no reasonable excuse for that purpose because the alleged admissions were not specifically brought by Detective Stamoulis to the appellant's attention. Her Honour relied upon the following passage from the judgment of Howie J in R v Moussa [2001] NSWCCA 427; (2001) 125 A Crim R 505:
"35 In my view the trial judge was entitled to find that the Crown had made out a reasonable excuse in a situation where the appellant declined to be interviewed at all in relation to the matter in respect of which earlier admissions had allegedly been made. In the present case, it was significant that the appellant was accompanied by a solicitor and that immediately after the constable gave the caution the solicitor indicated that his client would not make a statement. It was open to the trial judge to find that it was reasonable for the police officer in that situation simply to accept the appellant's refusal to be interviewed or make a statement 'in relation to the matter'. It may have been prudent for the police officer to indicate to the appellant that it was being alleged that he had made admissions to Constable Zimmerman. It may also have been prudent for the solicitor accompanying the appellant to have inquired of the police officer what was being alleged before giving advice to the appellant not to make any statement or participate in an interview. Prudence by a police officer in what is said and done at the time of the request to the accused to be interviewed may ensure that the evidence is admitted despite the differing views of judicial officers as to what is, or is not, reasonable in any given situation. But a lack of prudence does not equate with a lack of reasonableness".
20 Her Honour noted that, unlike the position in Moussa, the appellant did not have a solicitor present when Detective Stamoulis conversed with him. She did not regard that difference as rendering the view taken in Moussa inapplicable to the instant case.
21 On appeal, counsel for the appellant submitted that as soon as the appellant said to Constables Warren and Macarthur "I wanted to give her poison" there was an objective basis for a suspicion that he had committed an offence and s 281(1)(a) was accordingly applicable when, shortly after, Constable Warren asked the appellant whether he had tried to get his wife to drink poison. Counsel submitted that the fact that Constable Warren asked that further question supported this view.
22 I do not accept this submission. In my view her Honour was correct to conclude that the evidence was not rendered inadmissible by s 281. The questioning of the appellant was plainly for the purpose of investigating the circumstances in which he had come to be stabbed. As her Honour pointed out, the heading "Stabbing" in Constable Macarthur's notes tended to support this. Prior to the conversation with the appellant, neither officer concerned knew of any allegation that the appellant had attempted to administer poison to his wife. From the police officers' perspective the appellant was, until the conclusion of the conversation with him, the apparent victim of the incident. Constable Warren gave express evidence to this effect. Her Honour accepted that evidence and I see no basis for interfering with her Honour's conclusion.
23 The appellant's statement that "I wanted to give her poison and then I was going to take poison but I took poison first" did not suggest that he had in fact attempted to give poison to her. It was only when the appellant responded in the affirmative to Constable Warren's last question that there existed a basis for knowledge or suspicion on the part of the police officers that the appellant had committed an offence. Constable Warren thereupon gave an appropriate warning.
24 In Queensland Bacon Pty Ltd v Rees [1966] HCA 21; (1965 - 1966) 115 CLR 266 the High Court considered s 95 Bankruptcy Act 1924 (Cth) which referred to an "inference that the creditor knew or had reason to suspect that the debtor was unable to pay his debts as they became due". In relation to this expression Kitto J said the following:
"A suspicion that something exists is more than a mere idle wondering whether it exists or not; it is a positive feeling of actual apprehension or mistrust, amounting to 'a slight opinion, but without sufficient evidence', as Chambers's Dictionary expresses it. Consequently, a reason to suspect that a fact exists is more than a reason to consider or look into the possibility of its existence. The notion which 'reason to suspect' expresses in sub-s. (4) is, I think, of something which in all the circumstances would create in the mind of a reasonable person in the position of the payee an actual apprehension or fear that the situation of the payer is in actual fact that which the sub-section describes - a mistrust of the payer's ability to pay his debts as they become due and of the effect which acceptance of the payment would have as between the payee and the other creditors" (at 303).
25 These observations were approved by the High Court in George v Rockett [1990] HCA 26; (1990) 170 CLR 104 at 115 where the Court said that "[t]he facts which can reasonably ground a suspicion may be quite insufficient reasonably to ground a belief, yet some factual basis for the suspicion must be shown".
26 The possibility that the appellant might have attempted to administer poison to his wife must have occurred to Constable Warren. Otherwise he would have had no reason to ask the appellant whether he did so. However there was nothing in the evidence before her Honour to suggest that that was, before the appellant answered, anything more than a mere possibility unsupported at that stage by any factual basis for a suspicion that that had occurred.
27 I turn then to the alternative basis upon which the trial judge held that s 281 CPA did not render the evidence of Constables Warren and Macarthur inadmissible, that is, that there was a reasonable excuse for the absence of the tape recording of the type described in s 281(2)(a)(ii) (it having been accepted that there was a reasonable excuse for the absence of a tape recording of the type referred to in s 281(2)(a)(i)).
28 Counsel for the appellant submitted on the appeal that the trial judge was not entitled to find that the appellant's refusal to participate in an interview on 27 August 2006 constituted a reasonable excuse for the absence of a tape recording because the appellant had not been asked whether he would participate in an interview, to use the words appearing in s 281(2)(a)(ii), "about the making and terms of the admission". The request to the appellant was undoubtedly a general one rather than one directed to that specific topic.
29 I do not accept this submission. The subsection does not in terms, nor in my view by inference, require the making of a specific request of that nature. There is in my opinion nothing in the subsection that precluded her Honour from finding that the appellant's refusal of a general request for an interview constituted a relevant "reasonable excuse". As Howie J considered to have been the case in Moussa, it may have been prudent here for Detective Stamoulis to have said to the appellant that he wished to interview him concerning an admission alleged to have been made by the appellant to Constables Warren and Macarthur, in order to foreclose an argument such as was put on behalf of the appellant at the trial and on appeal, but, as Howie J put it, "a lack of prudence does not equate with a lack of reasonableness".
30 Acceptance by the appellant of the request for an interview would in all probability have led to him being asked about the statement he had allegedly made to Constables Warren and Macarthur as it was that statement that had resulted in his arrest. In these circumstances her Honour was entitled to take the view that the refusal of the request was the reason why there was no tape recording of the type referred to in the subsection and to take the view that there was nothing unreasonable about the Crown relying upon the refusal of the request as an excuse for the absence of the tape recording.
31 I add that, like the trial judge, I do not regard the fact that the appellant was not here accompanied by a solicitor as a sufficient basis for reaching a different conclusion to that reached in Moussa. Here, as in Moussa, there was nothing misleading in the manner in which the request for an interview was made and the accused (here the appellant) can be taken to have well understood the nature of the request.