Mr Tatosian's version
56There was a conflict of some essential details within the evidence of the plaintiff and that of the store manager, Mr Tatosian.
57Mr Tatosian described being called to observe the plaintiff by Mr Naidu. He gave the following account of those events at T101.18-T102.9:
"Q. Is that the person you have identified as being Mr Clarke?
A. Yes, Mr Clarke yes. He was by himself with the trolley and then I've seen that he is consuming something and obviously dropping bits on the floor and then in the middle of the aisle stopped to open one of the freezer doors and placed a bag of something in the freezer. Then once he left we went down and opened the door and I found there was a bag of wrapped prawns with a deli ticket on it that was ripped. There was a few shells in that bag with half eaten and half untouched. I have picked the bag up and went.
Q. Half eaten and untouched what?
A. Some of the prawns were obviously eaten, consumed and the shells were still in the bag and some of them were still in the bag. So it wasn't all eaten, it was some eaten and we picked those shells off the floor as well.
Q. What did you do then?
A. Then I went down and I've seen Mr Clarke near the deli counter near the seafood section. I've greeted him and I told Mr Clarke, "Hello sir, have you forgotten those prawns."
Q. What did you mean by those prawns?
A. I had the bag in my hand.
Q. So these prawns?
A. These prawns, yes.
Q. When you said that to Mr Clarke what was his response?
A. His response was, from memory, "They are not mine" and I said, "Sir, I've seen you putting those prawns in the freezer" and that is when Mr Clarke starts yelling and screaming and shouting at me straight away.
Q. Do you recall what he shouted at you?
A. Yes, "You are accusing me, I'm not a thief" and he started swearing, using the F word. "Where you come from, were you born here?" Things like that, "You little man" and also "How much they pay you" and things like that, so.
Q. Did he at any stage refer you to another packet of prawns that may have been in the area?
A. No.
Q. Did he tell you at any stage to speak to one of the delicatessen assistants regarding any other prawns?
A. No."
58In answer to a leading question, which was not objected to, Mr Tatosian said the plaintiff used the cited words to him in a very loud voice (T101.33) which developed into screaming when other team members attended the scene: T102.38.
59Mr Tatosian denied the key propositions alleged against him by the plaintiff, namely, that he had accused the plaintiff of stealing prawns: T103.19; that he had accused the plaintiff of hiding the wrapper for the prawns: T103.22; that he had asked the plaintiff to open his leather jacket and allow an inspection of his pockets: T101.28-T103.40; that he had told the plaintiff he would be kept in the store until the prawns in question were seen: T103.47; T104.31-T104.40; that he had pushed out his chest towards the plaintiff in an aggressive gesture: T105.45; and that he had been loud and aggressive to the plaintiff: T105.18.
60Mr Tatosian claimed that the plaintiff had tapped him on the chest with his walking stick: T105.24.
61Mr Tatosian stated the plaintiff had taken his jacket off and handed it to him. He said he did not take the jacket and did not see the plaintiff take anything out of his pockets and place the items on the ground: T104.46-T105.1.
62In his evidence in chief, Mr Tatosian agreed that he might have said to the plaintiff words to the effect that he had eaten "the rest of those prawns in my store and that is stealing": T103.49-T104.1. That was in contrast to other evidence he had given in cross-examination where he said "I didn't accuse him of stealing at any stage": T110.27-T110.33; T117.12; T117.30.
63Mr Tatosian claimed that the plaintiff opened the front of the delicatessen counter window, "took a bunch of raw prawns and [had] bitten on one or two and spat them on [him] and then thrown the rest on the floor": T105.10. He later described that incident as the plaintiff having bitten on one prawn and then having spat it out: T137.20. This differential description raised a doubt in my mind as to whether Mr Tatosian was a careful and reliable witness.
64Mr Tatosian said the whole incident took place over about 15-20 minutes: T106.17; T107.33; T109.7. He claimed that an employee named Sanjay had picked up the prawns from the floor after those events: T106.26. No evidence was called from the person named Sonjay.
65Mr Tatosian said he had left the area in order to defuse the situation that had developed between himself and the plaintiff (T138.11), and that he had been concentrating on trying to stay calm throughout the events. He described himself as having been abused by the plaintiff: T107.35-T107.44. In my view this leads to the implication that Mr Tatosian had said something to the plaintiff that had agitated him. Mr Tatosian said he did not recall the conversation in which Mr Chapman had expressed the view that he had handled the situation badly, and that he had picked on the plaintiff: T108.3.
66I formed the impression that some parts of Mr Tatosian's evidence was based on hearsay and reconstruction rather than direct observations he had personally made. This was apparent from the following passage at T110.35-T110.42:
"Q. What did you accuse him of, if anything?
A. Looking, my initial thoughts were of, there's two customers complaining about food hygiene and obviously the initial complaint was around Mr Clarke consuming dates around the produce and throwing the - the shells on the floor. So again this is a public safety issue. The other one is obviously bitten on the passionfruit and all the juice all - all over the, you know, the customers and on the product. They were my main concerns around - around Mr Clarke, we had that day."
67The hearsay or assumption-based nature of Mr Tatosian's evidence on this topic was plain from the following extract of the evidence he gave at T112.21-T112.26:
"Q. I don't think you mentioned the passionfruit before, where did the passionfruit get into it?
A. That's the report I received from my produce manager when he came down and advised me that there's a customer eating a date and he'd bitten on a passionfruit which ended up on the other customer's clothing and also ended up on the - on top of the products."
68That evidence was in contrast with other evidence he gave in which he had conceded that he had not seen the plaintiff eat a passionfruit or a date: T112.48.
69Mr Tatosian gave the impression that he had seen the plaintiff eating prawns near the freezer. When clarification was sought for the basis of that evidence, he gave the following evidence, at T113.36-T115.20:
'Q. When you say you saw Mr Clarke consuming the prawns, was it more than one, or just one?
A. They - the shells your Honour, I think I picked up three off the floor and there was a few in the - in the bag, the open bag.
Q. So did you do the sum that there was three prawns?
A. Well the ones I picked up from the floor, there were three. There was more in the bag, so I'm not sure how many your Honour, sorry.
Q. So do I take it from this that you saw Mr Clarke eating shelled prawns?
A. Well when you eat the prawns that you get the shells out and throw them.
Q. So you're motioning with two hands as if he's shelling the prawn and then eating the contents of the flesh?
A. I didn't see the two hands to be 100% honest. It was just something, like he's consuming in his mouth and just throwing the shells on the floor and then - which I didn't see him peel the prawn shells.
EVATT
Q. You need both hands to unshell a prawn don't you?
A. Yeah, but I didn't see him with - doing it with two hands.
Q. You didn't see him unshell it?
A. No.
Q. You didn't see him unshelling a prawn with two hands, or even one hand?
A. I've seen him in the one hand, yes
Q. Unshelling a prawn?
A. Seeing one hand moving up and I've seen shells thrown on the floor.
Q. And holding a bag in the other hand?
A. The bag was on the trolley. Sitting on the trolley. There's a trolley, you can have that baby seat out the front, like a baby part for the kids and it was placed on there.
Q. Can I suggest to you your eyesight's defective and you didn't see any such thing?
A. What was the question, sorry?
HIS HONOUR: There were two questions there Mr Evatt.
EVATT: All right.
Q. Can I suggest to you, you didn't see Mr Clarke unshell a prawn with one hand or at all?
A. I didn't see Mr Clarke unshelling any prawns. I've seen him eating the prawns. I don't - I don't - I haven't seen him because he was moving that way, so his back was, you know, facing me.
Q. You didn't see him unshelling the prawn but you saw him eating a prawn?
A. Yes.
Q. But it might have had a shell on it for all you know? The prawn he was eating may have had a shell on it?
A. I've seen Mr Clarke consuming something of that bag and throwing the shells on the floor cause he was - walking that way and I was at the other end. Not in the front of that part of the aisle.
Q. He might have eaten the prawn, retained the shells in his mouth and then thrown them on the floor after he'd eaten the prawn?
A. Yeah, might have, but I've seen him throwing the shells on the floor and clearly it was some leftover shells in the bag.
Q. When he was eating the shell did he have a happy look on his face, you know, as though he's enjoying it?
A. I didn't see his face. Again cause he was the other - facing the other way.
HIS HONOUR
Q. When you say you saw these things, I get the impression from what you said that he was walking while this was happening, is that a correct impression?
A. That's correct.
Q. Now walking away from you?
A. He was - he was pushing the trolley walking around the - along the freezer case.
Q. Towards you or away from you?
A. Sorry? No. Away from me, yeah.
Q. What was the distance between you and him?
A. 5 metres."
70Notwithstanding the evidence cited in the preceding paragraph, which does not support an acceptance of Mr Tatosian's claimed observation of the plaintiff eating a prawn, Mr Tatosian said to the plaintiff "Look sir, I've seen you eating those prawns": T116.33.
71Mr Tatosian explained his stance of not confronting the plaintiff at T117.4-T117.43:
"Q. Did you say to him, "I saw you hide the wrapper"?
A. Yes.
Q. This is suspicious criminal conduct, isn't it? Eating prawns, failing to pay for them, hiding wrappers?
A. Yes.
Q. Well, is that not accusing him of stealing, of being a thief?
A. No, I didn't accuse him.
Q. Well you said that?
A. Yes, I provided service for Mr Clarke. Sometimes customers do forget things around and the professional way to approach those matters is just go and provide service.
Q. When you said he hadn't paid for eating prawns you were implying that he was a thief and stealing the prawns?
A. I haven't said he hadn't paid for them. I offered him to pay for the prawns. I didn't accuse him at any time.
Q. No, but you said in effect, "You have eaten the prawns and you haven't paid for them" you said that?
A. Yes, I said that.
Q. That implies, does it not, to your mind that he has done something wrong and he is a thief?
A. I didn't say he was a thief.
Q. I know you didn't say it but in your mind did it imply to you that he was a thief?
A. I was more conscious around the food hygiene practices and food safety in the store than three or four prawns eaten.
Q. But I don't think you are quite answering the question. When you said to him, "You have eaten prawns and you haven't paid for them" did you think in your mind, although you didn't say to anyone, "This man is a thief"?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. Again my job is to provide service, not to accuse customers."
[Emphasis added]
72Mr Tatosian said that he made a statement about the incident about 16 months after the events occurred. He said that he "had a brief view of that statement about 2 years before the hearing, and had not looked at it since": T119.10-T119.42. He later said he had looked at the statement before Christmas, which was some eight weeks before the trial. On that basis, Mr Evatt sought that the statement referred to by Mr Tatosian be produced for inspection. Mr Weaver objected to the production of that document on the ground of legal professional privilege. I over-ruled that objection. Mr Weaver requested that reasons be provided for that ruling in my reasons for judgment: T122.20-T122.27. My reasons for that ruling are set out in the paragraph that follows.
73When Mr Tatosian's statement was called for, it became apparent that it was dated 29 October 2010, which was almost 14 months after the incident in question. It was also plain from Mr Tatosian's evidence that he had referred to his statement before he gave his evidence in these proceedings. On the evidence, it seemed to me that there was no other purpose for him doing so other than to seek to ensure that his evidence would be accurate. It was plain from those circumstances that he had refreshed his memory from the document. Although the dominant purpose of the document was that it had been prepared for this litigation, that privilege was no longer retained when Mr Tatosian referred to the document in order to refresh his memory, albeit some eight weeks before the trial.
74During the course of the cross-examination of Mr Tatosian that continued after the statement had been produced for inspection, it became apparent that Mr Tatosian's earlier evidence had included matters that were not included in his statement. It was later submitted that such matters adversely affected the reliability of the evidence given by Mr Tatosian.
75The first such matter concerned paragraphs 6 and 7 of Mr Tatosian's statement, which led to the following evidence, at T127.39-T128.22:
"Q. We'll call him Mr Naval, and you and he saw the plaintiff pushing a Coles trolley, this is paragraph 6, in the area near the freezers, is that right?
A. That's correct.
Q. Then seven, you observed him, that's Mr Clarke as you observed him several items fell from his trolley and yet you couldn't see what those items were.
A. No.
Q. He stopped in front of a freezer and he spoke to a lady, a customer, right. What were those items that fell from his trolley?
A. The prawn shells.
Q. What?
A. The prawn shells, the empty prawn shells.
Q. No, look, you say in paragraph 7, "I observed several items fell from his trolley"?
A. Yeah.
Q. They wouldn't be prawn shells?
A. Yeah, when I got close to the shop floor they were prawn shells.
Q. But you wouldn't see prawn shells falling from a trolley.
A. Yeah, from five metre distance.
Q. Didn't you mean other items, goods?
A. No, I meant those ones.
Q. Well, you don't say you notice several scales falling from his trolley?
A. No, I didn't know they were scales.
Q. Well, what did you think they were?
A. So, from five metre distance you wouldn't know what those things are unless you get closer to them."
76The second such matter concerned whether Mr Tatosian had actually seen the plaintiff eating prawns as was earlier alleged. In cross-examination Mr Tatosian agreed there was nothing mentioned in his statement about the plaintiff with one hand at the freezer eating a prawn or removing a shell: T130.10. In that regard, at T129.13-T129.19, his evidence was as follows:
"Q. There is nothing about him eating the prawn or unshelling it with one hand. You don't mention any of that?
A. I didn't mention that because I didn't see his hands.
Q. But you said in evidence this morning you saw him do that?
A. Yes, I saw him lifting his hand but I didn't see him unshelling the prawns. His back was facing me."
77It became plain from the evidence of Mr Tatosian at T130.15-T131.16, that he had not actually seen the plaintiff shelling and eating prawns, but had in fact made an assumption or deduction to that effect:
"Q. That is because it never happened?
A. It did happen sir because when you see shells falling from the trolley and the bag in place in the freezer, the bag ripped open and the same shells in the bag, you would think that has happened wouldn't you?
Q. No, you might deduce that but you never saw the plaintiff eat a prawn with one hand or try and de shell it with one hand, did you?
A. No.
Q. No, but he put things in his mouth, I couldn't see it from the front. I keep saying he lifted his hand and started to obviously eating or something, which I didn't know they were the prawns until I got to the shop floor closer to the freezer.
Q. But you didn't see him put anything in his mouth, did you?
A. No.
Q. When you said this morning you saw him put a prawn in his mouth, that was just imagination or surmise on your part, wasn't it?
A. Well, I didn't see him from the front, as I said, putting stuff in his mouth but I've seen him from the back lifting his hand and putting something into his mouth.
Q. It could have been a cigarette?
A. Well you're not allowed to smoke in the shopping centre.
EVATT: Well it could have been anything.
HIS HONOUR
Q. If you were observing him from behind, does it not follow that you couldn't see his mouth?
A. That's correct.
Q. So then on what basis do you say he was putting something into his mouth and eating it?
A. Because your Honour I've seen his hand moving up and then obviously I've got shells dropped on the floor and it was like, you know, not in one area, they were scattered as well, so.
Q. Were these the same shells that were dropping from the trolley were they?
A. They were the shells dropping from the trolley, or from his hand I should say.
Q. Which was it?
A. Sorry?
Q. Hand or trolley?
A. Hand. So they were the same shells in the open bag in the freezer.
Q. You mean shells of the same type?
A. Yes, same type of prawn."
78Mr Tatosian agreed that as he was observing the plaintiff from behind near the freezers, he had not seen the plaintiff put anything in his mouth: T131.34. That conversation raised a doubt as to the reliability of his testimony to the effect that, from a position from behind the plaintiff with the plaintiff's back facing him, he had claimed to have observed the plaintiff eating prawns.
79The third such matter was whether the plaintiff had actually eaten and consumed green prawns in front of the Coles staff, as distinct from biting into them and spitting them out. In that regard, Mr Tatosian's evidence at T129.33-T129.38 was as follows:
"Q. ...
A. Yes, maybe if you look yes, I don't recall what the prawns were but certainly when he got to the deli case, that is when he opened the window which normally no one knows that opens from the front, and consumed those raw prawns. I presumed they were the green prawns which he'd eaten in front of the team."
80That evidence was in contrast to the evidence given by the plaintiff. Ultimately, Mr Tatosian could not remember whether the prawns in question were either cooked or green: T130.1-T130.6.
81At T131.43-T132.6, Mr Tatosian explained his position in which he denied he had accused the plaintiff of theft, as follows:
"Q. Well that is an accusation of theft, is it not?
A. Well not really because, you know, sometimes you try to help a customer to pay the purchase and get on with life. I think that is the best way to handle it instead of calling loss prevention and police. So with the way we deal with our customers, we trust our customers and at the end of the day we have a business to run. Also if something goes wrong we try to highlight that to a customer and, potentially, if they are willing to recognise their mistake, or whatever they have done, they generally cooperate.
Q. Yes, but he wasn't leaving the store, it wasn't as though he'd gone through the checkout and was leaving the store with the prawns on him and you saying he'd forgotten to pay for these?
A. Yeah, because the pack was purchased by him or not purchased, asked by him from the deli, he obtained the bag and he put it in the freezer and the bag was open, and some of the prawns were consumed."
82Mr Tatosian agreed that some matters of which he had given evidence had not appeared in his statement. Those matters included his assertions that the plaintiff had called him a "little man", "stupid", and had asked him questions as to where he was born: T133-T133.20. It seemed to me that Mr Tatosian's evidence on these matters arose from reconstruction rather than actual memory, because if the plaintiff had said such things to him, from the context, it was likely he would have included reference to them in his statement. I gained that impression in view of his evidence at T133.22-T133.32, as follows:
"Q. Where's that? It doesn't say that in your statement? Where is that in your statement?
A. Well, I remember it now clearly that's what the words he used.
Q. You remember it now but not when you made your statement?
A. Well, the statement was made after a year and a bit after the incident, so I can't remember everything, you know, especially when you deal with thousands of customers every day, you have a busy job to do, so.
Q. Well, what made you suddenly remember another year and a half on later?
A. Well, things come to mind over time."
83In my view, the last cited comment by Mr Tatosian confirmed that his evidence was founded upon a significant degree of reconstruction of events over time rather than being based on an actual recollection.
84It seemed to me that Mr Tatosian's reference to the plaintiff having made racial remarks to him was unlikely to be correct. I consider that if such remarks had been made, it was highly likely that Mr Tatosian would have included reference to such remarks in his statement as being a matter of some significance and relevance to the dynamics of the events at the time. In the absence of such mention of such a remark in his statement, I consider that Mr Tatosian's reference to such remarks in his oral evidence indicates he was recounting an unreliable and reconstructed recollection.
85When questioned about the omission from his statement of any reference to the plaintiff having made racial remarks about him, he said that he "might have missed it on the day when we had the interview with the investigator": T135.15. At the time, I considered his explanation to be convenient, but not credible.
86There were other aspects of Mr Tatosian's evidence that gave me concern as to the reliability of his testimony. These included his statement that during the time when he said there was "noise" from the plaintiff, he had remained calm "the whole time" and "didn't say a word": T135.30-T135.35. That evidence was slightly different to his later evidence at T140.25 where he said "I didn't say many words", which appeared to me to be an understatement, which suggested to me that there had been some significant words spoken by him to the plaintiff. That impression is confirmed to me by Mr Tatosian's evidence at T141.10-T141.26, which suggested that there were words and actions that hinted at restraint:
"Q. "We will not let you leave until we've seen inside your jacket and find those prawns"?
A. No.
Q. Well, you didn't let him leave anyhow.
A. Yeah, but I didn't say those words.
Q. Why didn't you let him leave?
A. Well, I didn't stop him, he could have left and paid for the prawns.
Q. If he paid for the prawns?
A. I didn't say if, I just said my words were, "You forgot to pay for those prawns", after a while we had a - after he got upset and start abusing.
Q. You were prepared to let him leave after he paid for the prawns, is that right?
A. Yes."
[Emphasis added]
87The last cited answer suggested for threshold consideration that there was some force to the plaintiff's evidence that he felt he had been detained against his will, but that impression has to be viewed against the evidence as a whole.
88As to whether Mr Tatosian had been pushed by the plaintiff with his walking stick, at T135.37-T135.46, Mr Tatosian's evidence was as follows:
"Q. Now, 11, you say that the customer pushed you with his stick, is that right?
A. He didn't push me with a stick, he put the stick on my chest trying to push me. He put his hand on my shoulder and that's when I asked Mr Clarke to remove his hand, which he did.
Q. Where is anything about touching you with a stick, it is not there is it?
A. Perhaps not.
Q. No, because he didn't do it?
A. He didn't put his hand? Put that there?
Q. Probably to retain his balance, is that right?
A. No."
89Mr Tatosian gave conflicting evidence as to whether or not the plaintiff had been encircled by people at the scene, as the following extract from T136.10-T136.49 shows:
"Q. Is that right?
A. No, he moved around, he took his jacket off, he approached me, tried to push me.
Q. But he didn't move from that spot?
A. Well, he did move around.
Q. Move around where?
A. Around me.
Q. But within the circle?
A. That's correct.
Q. Like a prisoner in the prison cell?
A. There was no circle.
HIS HONOUR
Q. Didn't you just agree with Mr Evatt's proposition "within the circle". Didn't you say yes to that?
A. I thought he was talking like the area, not meaning a circle surrounded by people.
Q. Can you help me with this. Which action came first. Was it the plaintiff, as you say, putting his right hand on to your left shoulder or the action of placing his stick against your chest?
A. The stick first. He didn't push me, he just touched the chest and just dropped it down, but I remember exactly when he put his hand on my chest and that is when I thought I'd end the situation after that.
EVATT
Q. Well, you certainly don't mention that he touched you with his cane, do you?
A. No, it's not in this statement.
Q. No, because it didn't happen, did it?
A. It did happen."
90There was an internal discrepancy in the evidence of Mr Tatosian where at one point he claimed the plaintiff had placed his hand on Mr Tatosian's shoulder, and in this last cited evidence, where it was claimed the plaintiff had put his hand on Mr Tatosian's chest.
91Mr Tatosian denied saying to the plaintiff that he had hid the wrapping for the prawns, that he had been stealing prawns, that he should open his leather jacket and his pockets, or words to that effect: T140.25-T141.15; T142.
92Mr Tatosian stated that the plaintiff had become upset and was abusive to him in the course of their verbal altercation: T141.22. He conceded the plaintiff had denied the accusation that he had eaten prawns: T141.39. He agreed that the plaintiff could not have been taken to have stolen prawns as he had not at that stage left the premises: T142.35. He agreed with the proposition that he "intended to convey or impute" that the plaintiff had eaten prawns in the supermarket so he would not have to pay for them: T143.9. The foundation of that view was dependent upon whether the plaintiff had firstly, eaten some of the prawns, and secondly, had secreted the wrapping in the freezer as was alleged against him.
93The assumptions made by Coles staff which led to the confrontation with the plaintiff were evident from the following passage from Mr Tatosian's evidence at T142.25-T143.1, as follows:
"Q. You intended, when you spoke to the plaintiff, to convey that he was a thief?
A. I didn't say that.
Q. Did you intend to allege or convey that he was a thief?
A. No.
Q. Did you intend to convey or allege that he stole prawns from the supermarket?
A. He didn't steal prawns because he didn't leave the premises.
Q. Say that again?
A. He didn't leave the premises, so it wasn't technically stolen prawns.
Q. So you didn't intend to convey that he stole prawns from the supermarket?
A. No.
Q. Did you intend to convey or impute that he hid the wrapper in order to conceal the prawns he stole?
A. I've seen him hiding the wrapper, yes.
Q. So you meant to convey that he hid the wrapper in order to conceal the prawns he stole?
A. Not really. I think what happened is he tried to help himself with those prawns and hidden the wrapper in the freezer. That's where the whole thing started."
94After the plaintiff had the confrontation with Mr Tatosian he contacted the defendant and asked for access to the CCTV footage of the incident. At the time of making the request it was unlikely he would have known there was no such footage. In my view, this suggests the plaintiff had a genuine sense of grievance he was seeking to have addressed, and that he was correct in his account of the events. T143.50.
95Mr Tatosian's statement indicated that he could not tell at the time of the events in question, whether the plaintiff was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. His explanation for including that reference in his statement was the plaintiff's actions in that he "kept going", this being a reference to him remonstrating to Mr Tatosian in the course of the events: T145.1-T145.18.
96Mr Tatosian said that as manager of the store, he had not spoken to the police who attended on the day in question: T146.5; T147.1-T147.12. He could not explain the reference in the police report to the manager having been spoken to and having indicated that he was happy with the outcome of the plaintiff having left the store and wished no further police action: T147.10.