Ground 1: No focus on children as defined in Rome statute (i.e., under 15 years old)
62 Contrary to the Minister's submissions, this ground is not answered by any reliance on the principle to be derived from Collector of Customs (NSW) v Brian Lawlor Automotive Pty Ltd [1979] FCA 37; 41 FLR 338.
63 The applicant's contentions did not turn on the proof of legal error on the part of the delegate. Rather, the applicant's reliance on what was and was not put by the delegate to the applicant during the interview was for the purpose of demonstrating why the Tribunal's selection of just a few passages of the applicant's evidence from that interview was an inadequate evidentiary basis for the findings it went on to make. It is correct that - at least in these passages - the delegate did not appreciate, or did not make, the distinction between children generally, children under 18, and children under 15: the latter being what is required by Art 8(2)(e)(vii).
64 In other words, in the passages relied on by the Tribunal, the applicant was not asked specifically about children under 15 (as opposed to under 18), and was not asked about what children in the camps did which could be described as "participating actively in hostilities". For the delegate's decision, this was not critical because the delegate relied on a much wider range of sources for his findings about participation of children under 15, in particular country information.
65 The Tribunal did not take this approach. The Tribunal chose only to rely only on what the applicant said at the delegate's interview. The Tribunal expressly indicated that was the approach it was taking, at [40]:
Bearing in mind the warning given by French J against extrapolating from the criminality of an organisation to that of an individual, it is necessary to consider the evidence of the actions of the Applicant himself.
(Emphasis added)
66 This was, of course, only a small part of French J's observations. Nevertheless, this appears to be what the Tribunal focussed on, and explains its focus in its reasons on the applicant's own evidence rather than any reliance at all on country information. In other words, it is clear that although the Tribunal set out some country information at [39] of its reasons, it did not rely on this information in making its findings, given its statement at [40].
67 There is not necessarily anything impermissible about such an approach, but the material a Tribunal relies upon must be probative of the findings it makes in purported reliance on that material: see Deane J's observations in Australian Broadcasting Tribunal v Bond [1990] HCA 33; 170 CLR 321 at 366-367, WAIJ v Minister for Immigration & Multicultural & Indigenous Affairs [2004] FCAFC 74; 80 ALD 568 at [22], and the authorities there referred to.
68 Before the key passage impugned on ground 1, the Tribunal embarks on a series of findings which are somewhat contradictory.
69 At [41], the Tribunal appears to find the applicant is not a reliable, or honest, witness:
Counsel for the Minister referred to the several occasions on which the Applicant knowingly provided false information to various authorities regarding his role in the LTTE. I am satisfied that on more than one occasion the Applicant was not honest in giving information. He accepted that this was the case in his oral evidence. I agree with the Minister that I should consider his evidence "with some circumspection and caution".
70 Yet in the very next paragraph, rather than doubting the applicant's evidence, the Tribunal relies on it (at [42]):
The Applicant gave evidence that cadres in the camp at [District B] collected food from villages and stored and cleaned weapons for use by the LTTE. On the basis of this evidence I am satisfied that there are serious reasons for considering that, as the person responsible for the day-to-day operation of the camp, the Applicant was using persons in the camp to participate in hostilities.
71 This paragraph is the subject of ground 2, and I will return to it below. Then in [43], the Tribunal again relies on what the applicant is reported to have said in the delegate interview. Then, at [44], is the finding which is the subject of ground 1:
Although the Applicant has denied that there were children under 15 years in the [District B] camp when he was in charge between 1990 and 1996, his responses to the delegate during the interview on 14 May 2018 provide serious reasons for considering that the Applicant used children under 15 years to assist in the operations of the camp and therefore that he used them in the hostilities in which the LTTE was engaged at the time. Article 8(2) of the Rome Statute does not require that the children be proved to have borne arms for a crime to have been committed.
(Emphasis added.)
72 I accept the applicant's submissions that [44], read with [45], makes it clear the Tribunal relied on nothing else but the 14 May 2018 delegate interview for this finding. That proposition is established by the portion of [44] I have highlighted in bold, and also the portion of [45] below which I have highlighted in bold:
On the basis of the Applicant's responses in the interview of 14 May 2018, I am satisfied that there are serious reasons for considering that:
• children engaged in the camp under the Applicant's control were under the age of 15 years;
• the Applicant knew, or should have known, that the children concerned were under the age of 15 years;
• persons engaged in the camp provided assistance to the LTTE by supplying food and cleaning and storing weapons;
• the conduct took place in the context of, and was associated with, an armed conflict between the LTTE and the Sri Lankan Army which was not of an international character;
• the Applicant was aware of the factual circumstances that established the existence of an armed conflict.
73 Thus, the only material the Tribunal purports to rely on is what was said by the applicant in the delegate interview. This approach seems to stem, as I have said, from the Tribunal's focus on what was said by French J in WAKN at [52], as the extract at [65] demonstrates.
74 Although it had set out in its reasons at an earlier point some of the evidence given by the applicant to the Tribunal itself, the Tribunal did not rely on this for its adverse findings. The explanation for that is apparent from the fact that the extract of the applicant's evidence set out in the Tribunal's reasons at [29] provides no support for an adverse finding against him. It is a long extract but it should be set out, because it is apparent that in his evidence to the Tribunal the applicant was denying he had any knowledge of the use of children under 15 at the camp in District B, and thus his own evidence to the Tribunal could provide no probative basis for the findings the Tribunal made. The applicant gave his evidence via an interpreter.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: Are you aware that during the 1990s the LTTE was regularly using persons under 18 as soldiers?
BYJB: I've only heard about those people who voluntarily joined, but I did not see those people.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: All right, so is this right, that while you were the commander of the camp between 1990 and 1996, you were aware that the LTTE did have voluntary soldiers who were under 18? Is that right?
BYJB: (Indistinct) I have heard about that, but I don't know about the age. (Indistinct). The person who was in charge was Karuna. And I've heard that there were some who were this Karuna.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: Well is it the case that you were aware that there [were] soldiers under the age of 15 at camps near [your] camp, in Batticaloa and [District B]?
BYJB: I've heard. But I do not know to give you - I do not know how to tell this. I am unable to give you any further explanation about this.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: Well, do you accept that there were children under the age of 15 at camps near yours in Batticaloa and [District B]?
BYJB: I do not know how to say this. I do not know how to confirm this and say this. And I do not remember what I have said in the past.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: Well, I'll just refresh your memory. Deputy President, this is by reference to the day 2 transcript, page 157 and 158. And Mr Applicant, you were asked - according to the transcript - you were asked a question:
In your camp and the people you were fighting with, were there any people under the age of 15 years old, or 15 and under?
And, if you want to get that down, I'll then tell you the next part of the - and then on the next page of the transcript you are recorded as giving an answer:
In Batticaloa and [District B], in both places they were there.
And then you say:
No, not in my camp, in other camps.
So, is that evidence correct?
BYJB: Correct.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: That is correct? Thank you. And in the time you were at this camp - so, between 1990 and 1995 - did you see any LTTE soldiers who were under 15?
BYJB: I don't remember, but I have (indistinct).
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: Okay, well are you able to remember now whether you did see children under 15 as LTTE soldiers in that time?
BYJB: What I have heard is for Batticaloa and [District B], the person who was in charge for us was Karuna. And I've heard that he had, however, I didn't have the opportunity to find out or ask about their ages. And I wasn't able to.
…
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: So, you just said that you understood that soldiers had to be 18 years or older, but I'd suggest to you that there is a substantial amount of country information before the tribunal that says that the LTTE regularly used children as young as nine as soldiers. What do you say about that?
APPLICANT [i.e., BYJB]: Well I haven't seen a nine year old, but I do not want to argue about it. I can argue about it, but I do not want to do that. That is because the war has come to an end. Everybody knows who started the war and those people who know who came up with these laws, why the war was started.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: I put it to you that the LTTE was regularly using people under the age of 18 as soldiers. Do you accept that, or not?
APPLICANT: Yes, that's what I am saying.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: Okay so when you said that you gave evidence that you understood a soldier to be 18 or older, in fact do you accept that there were many soldiers who were younger than that (indistinct)?
APPLICANT: Yes, sir, I do agree that there were, but I cannot say what age they were.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: Okay, well in relation to your camp that you were in charge of between 1990 and 1996, were there any children under your command who were under the age of 15 years?
APPLICANT: No one was there under my - when I was the in charge person.
COUNSEL FOR THE MINISTER: And how did you know the ages of the soldiers under your command?
APPLICANT: There was a head office, and also apart from that we were separately located, but there would be someone who does the clerical work, (indistinct) a clerk, who would have the height and the age and other details.
(Citations omitted.)
75 If it sought to focus on the applicant's own evidence, in order to make a finding adverse to him, the Tribunal needed to look elsewhere than his evidence to the Tribunal. It looked to the delegate interview. That much is clear from the Tribunal's reasons.
76 The age of people present in the camp in District B was no more than touched on with the applicant during the delegate interview. There are only two possible passages of the applicant's evidence to which the Tribunal could be referring.
77 The first is the following passage. Again, the applicant's evidence was given via an interpreter.
[Delegate]: So, your rank, your rank and length of service would indicate that you were a trusted mid to senior LTTE cadre. OK, and at times you were working in the political wing. So this would indicate that you probably had some involvement in recruitment and training of new recruits. So, what involvement did you have in recruitment for a start?
[BYJB]: Yeah, the thing is just that was not my job because actually the people who were recruiting them, they are the people who are allowed to go and live with the civilians. So they go there and they do the propaganda or anything and also most of the people they willingly came and joined with us. After the cease-fire … only after the cease-fire was broken only, they forcibly recruit, the LTTE … they forcibly start to recruit the people. Before that, most of the people they were came and joined with them.
[Delegate]: Well, the country information indicates that during the 1990's, in the East, in particular, the LTTE had a tactic of forced recruitment. So, basically, if a family refused to give over one of their children --this was in the 90's when you were working there-- if the family refused to give over one of their children to join the movement bad things could happen to that family. So, so, forced recruitment wasn't just after the cease-fire. And it was a very strong tactic of Karuna.
[BYJB]: I was not aware they are forcibly recruiting anyone before that, because I know that after the cease-fire was broken only, the Karuna was separated then he forced everyone to come and join with him.
[Delegate]: So, you're saying that even though you were in the political wing of the LTTE of that period, dealing with civilians where mothers would come and say, "Where is my child?" you had no idea that forced recruitment was going on?
[BYJB]: Yeah, the thing is just honestly I am telling you at that time, we were not forcibly taking anyone. The child maybe came and joined with us willingly, the mother came and find out, we heard … they learned that the child was joined, so they're there to find out that information about that child, where is he now and that kind of things. So, I am passing that information to the other people to find their son, where is the location and everything.
78 Two points are clear. First, this evidence concerns forcible recruitment rather than participation in hostilities; that is the first limb of Art 8(2)(e)(vii), not the second. The applicant denies there was forcible recruitment. Next, there is no evidence at all given by the applicant about the age of persons recruited. This passage provides no probative basis for the Tribunal's findings at [44] and [45].
79 The second passage is the following, which occurred immediately after the first passages.
[Delegate]: OK, well what about when you were in the LTTE as a commander, did you have child soldiers working for you?
[BYJB]: Yeah, the thing is actually when I was there, yes, there were child soldiers. Personally, I went and asked them, "Why did you come and join here?" But the bad thing was happened, they went and informed to my supervisor I am asking … questioning them like this. So there were many young soldiers were released to go back to their home to join with their parents, they are living there still.
[Delegate]: Yeah, in 1998, when you were in Batticaloa, it was estimated that of all the LTTE combatants killed in combat, 40% were below the age of 18. Now, between 2002 and 2004, again, while you were a member of the LTTE, the UNHCR document, so the UNICEF documented 4600 cases of under-age LTTE recruitment. Yeah, the LTTE released only, of those 4600 cases only 1208 children were actually released after being identified. OK. So, as a relatively higher level member of the LTTE, you must have been aware that the LTTE was recruiting significant numbers of under-aged combatants.
[BYJB]: Which time period that you are meaning?
[Delegate]: The whole time period.
[BYJB]: Yes, as I said, again and again, for most of those people there were willing to come and join, no-one was forced them but after that the parents came and found their children. The LTTE sent them back with their parents but most of the child soldiers, they don't want to go back.
[Delegate]: It's not a matter of whether they want to go back or no want to go back, again, under the Rome stat … under the various protocols relating to war crimes, recruitment of child soldiers is a war crime. (Interpreter speaks) No, sorry, just let me finish, so you knew that the LTTE had under-age soldiers working for them?
[BYJB]: Yes, I know that. There were.
[Delegate]: But you chose to remain in the LTTE as a relatively senior member for a significant period of time despite knowing that?
[BYJB]: The thing is just, though I also a senior member, I did not have the rights to release them. Even if I asked them to escape from there, if my supervisor comes to know he will kill me.
[Delegate]: OK. So, I'm just going to ask … I am not going to dwell on this any further, but it's something which I'm going to ask if you could address that in any submissions.
[BYJB's representative]: Well, I think it's … you're casting a very wide …
[Delegate]: (interrupts) Well, anyhow, so…
[BYJB's representative]: (continues) He's never ever, and even ASIO never even found that he was involved in recruitment….
80 Again, this evidence concerns forcible recruitment. Next, insofar as the delegate directs the applicant's attention to the use of children by the LTTE (generally, rather than by the applicant), he does so in relation to persons aged under 18, not 15. The age of 18 is the only age that is mentioned. The applicant is not asked, and gives no evidence about, what he means by a "child".
81 This passage provides no probative basis for the Tribunal's findings at [44] and [45]. Specifically, neither of these passages provides any probative basis for the findings that:
(a) any children at the camp in District B were under 15 years of age;
(b) any children under 15 years of age at the camp in District B were "under the Applicant's control"; and
(c) the applicant knew the children concerned were under the age of 15 years.
82 Further, the Tribunal also makes a finding of no, or little, relevance to its task, being that there were "persons engaged in the camp [who] provided assistance to the LTTE by supplying food and cleaning and storing weapons". Whether or not there were "persons" so engaged, such a task could not advance the issue on review before the Tribunal one way or the other. The correct focus was on whether there were children under the age of 15 years at the camp in District B who were engaged in tasks that fell within the concept of them being used by the LTTE actively to participate in hostilities.
83 That the Tribunal erred in its reasoning on this critical aspect of Art 8(2)(e)(vii) is reinforced by the finding made by the Tribunal at [42] in the last sentence that:
the Applicant was using persons in the camp to participate in hostilities.
(Emphasis added.)
84 The question for the Tribunal was not about the use of "persons"; it was about the use of children under 15. Not all children, but children under 15.
85 There is no place for the application of Minister for Immigration and Ethnic Affairs v Wu Shan Liang [1996] HCA 6; 185 CLR 259 to these kinds of findings. This Tribunal made the very barest of factual findings in any event. Its reasons are conclusory. No "fine eye attuned to error" is being applied to reach the conclusion the Court reaches. The error is plain to see in the slim finding made by the Tribunal. It took a clearly wrong turn.
86 The Minister's response to this ground did not direct the Court to any other passages of transcript where the applicant gave evidence capable of being probative of the Tribunal's findings. Instead, the Minister relied only on one sentence in [42] of the Tribunal's reasons, where the Tribunal found:
The Applicant gave evidence that cadres in the camp at [District B] collected food from villages and stored and cleaned weapons for use by the LTTE.
(Emphasis added.)
87 The Minister's response to this ground is unpersuasive. At best, this evidence does no more than support the Tribunal's finding that "persons engaged in the camp provided assistance to the LTTE by supplying food and cleaning and storing weapons". The Minister accepted that "cadre" simply meant LTTE member, and that is how the delegate used the term in his decision. That the applicant gave this evidence goes nowhere near providing a probative basis for the key findings of the Tribunal.
88 Ground 1 should be upheld.