Is over there ?---Over at number 5 Phillip Avenue, and as soon as I pulled up there was all these guys, about half a dozen guys with sticks and whatever running towards the car. So I just chucked it in reverse, went straight out, and drove off, and thinking, "Yeah, right. There is something going on," and I thought, "Well, I can't go back there. There's half a dozen guys with sticks," so I pretended to go off down the road, and then like I thought, "God I need a cigarette." I'd ran out of cigarettes. Watson shops were closed, so I went to Dickson shops, Woolies was open, and I thought, "Oh yes, 15 minutes. I'll come back," and I came back through Northbourne Avenue, parked at that [Kamberra] Vineyard thing next door and I thought, "Well, they won't see me there, and I'll walk across and have a look what they're doing." So I walked across, and there's three sets of pine trees on Northbourne Avenue just next door to 3 Phillip Avenue, and I had a cigarette. I was hiding behind a pine tree just watching, you know, and I couldn't see anything going on in the front. I saw dad was watching - was looking outside and it was a cold night, as about this time the winter, and I thought, "That's strange," but nothing happened, so I thought, "Oh well, it's getting cold." I turned around and there was Selmar and Adam just come lunging at me. They were
Hang on. I'll just stop you there. You said you saw Selmar and Adam?---Yes. When I turned around to go back, there's a lot of light there, you know, so I saw them just from here to you. They just come running at me from like two different trees, came straight at me, grabbed me, threw me on the ground, and started kicking me from both sides.
So was it one of them or both of them who were kicking you?---Both. One harder than the other.
How many times did they kick you?---I can't remember but many, many, many times. It seemed to go on forever. Probably dozens, yes.
What happened after the kicking stopped?---Eventually they stopped, and then they grabbed me from like shoulders or arms or something, and they dragged me all the way to in front of the house, number 3 Phillip Avenue. There's another tree there.
What part of your body did they drag you by?---Just shoulders, arms or something, you know, and I had still - I recall having my feet on the - you know, dragging on the ground, and they were just sort of dragging one each side of my body. They dragged me about 30 feet, maybe more. No, would be more than 30 feet. You know, about 30, 40 feet. So they dumped me under another tree which