"Q. So far as being able to say that he stood by and did nothing to stop secret deals at the Modbury Hospital, what do you base that on. A. On the facts. Q. What facts. A. There were, in fact, during that election there were two secret deals, two secret contracts, in fact, and those contracts were totally secret, and we had made numerous noises as had numbers of other players in that arena, about finding out what was in the contracts and the nature of the contracts and so forth, and they were secret, and Mr Bass had done nothing about that. Q. It may seem a bit tautologous, but what are these secret deals. A. The secret deals are the contract. The contract was a secret deal. I mean, it was extraordinary in the sense that there was no information given to the public about what the responsibilities of Healthscope were. There was no indication of what rights we had as patients at the hospital. The whole thing was a secret, even to the extent that when the media tried to actually do a report on the Modbury Public Hospital, as they did on the other public hospitals, they were refused entry. Q. You said there were two contracts. When was the first of the contracts. A. The first of the contracts was in January 1995, and that was for the management of the hospital. Q. On what basis do you say that Mr Bass stood by and did nothing to stop that contract, if that is what you meant to refer to. A. First of all, we actually asked for him to put the views of the public to the Minister, and he refused to do that. The contracts went through, and as I said before, there was a big issue about the contracts and Mr Bass did nothing. As our local elector he never contacted us about it. He never made any issue in the press about it. He never indicated to anybody in the press that he had done anything about it. In fact, there are several indications where he wholeheartedly supported the contract. Q. You had never asked him what he had done in respect of the contracts, had you. A. No, but we asked him for help. Q. You told us of the two instances that you suggest comprise that, but apart from that, you never asked him what he had done in respect of lobbying the Minister or anything like that. A. No. Q. And with respect to the second contract, when do you say that was. A. The second contract would have been, I am not sure if it was '96 or '97. I have a sneaking suspicion it might have been '96, but basically what happened was the first contracts virtually folded. Healthscope was in a pretty parlous position financially, over the contract, losing money hand over fist, and the government renegotiated it, to keep Healthscope there. In fact, we were told at one stage by the management of Healthscope that if the government didn't do something about it, they would walk away. Q. All I asked you was, when the second contract was, and you think it was '96. A. Yes. Q. And in respect of that contract, is your basis for suggesting that Mr Bass did nothing to stop secret deals, the same as in your first one. A. That's right."