The evidence about Ms Laski's dealings with Mr Laski
17 Ms Laski's evidence was that she earned her own money, through her work in the fashion business, and through property development. She admitted to doing some acting work but said the last time was about "three years back". She said that "at the moment" she working as a cleaner. Her evidence was that she was currently living in rental premises, but owned a unit in Toorak which she was renting out. She agreed that when she divorced Mr Laski (which she said occurred in the late 1990s) as part of the family law property settlement a property in Hawthorn was transferred to her by Mr Laski. She agreed that despite the divorce she "looked after" Mr Laski's companies for him from 2000 to 2005 while he was bankrupt and that she had been a director of a number of his companies during that period, although she stated that her directorships were "on paper" only and that she "didn't direct anything". I infer from her evidence, and it is consistent with the evidence given in the principal proceeding, that Mr Laski in reality continued to control, and make all substantive decisions about, the companies of which Ms Laski was notionally a director.
18 Ms Laski was cross-examined about her affidavit evidence, in which she deposed that:
Neither Mr Laski nor any of his companies have any interest in any of my property development or affairs.
19 She said she made this statement because she thought Mr Laski might have tried to convey a different impression in these proceedings. As I note below, in my opinion there is more contact and communication between Mr Laski and Ms Laski than either was prepared to admit to, and I am not satisfied there is a sufficient basis in the evidence to make a finding that Mr Laski does not have any "interests" in Ms Laski's property developments. It is not a necessary finding for the present matters to be determined.
20 As I have noted above, Ms Laski maintained that the money she had transferred to Mr Laski was by way of loans. Her evidence was that Mr Laski requested she lend him money for use in his business operations, and that he had "continually pressured me to lend him money over the years". She stated that Mr Laski had always repaid these loans, except for the current outstanding loan of $215,000. She gave no details about previous loans to which she referred.
21 In contrast to her affidavit evidence that Mr Laski had always repaid the loans, in an email to Mr Laski dated 9 February 2015 and annexed to her affidavit Ms Laski described Mr Laski's repayments in the past in the following way:
[y]our repayment record is rather haphazard and some times hit and miss
22 This is but another example of the inconsistencies in Ms Laski's evidence and, in my opinion, of her desire in her evidence to this Court to cast particular matters in ways she considered would suit her claim as a secured creditor and the image of herself she wished to present to the Court.
23 Ms Laski's affidavit evidence about the three loans she claims to have made to Mr Laski (putting to one side the more historical debt of $10,000 which is included in the claim for $215,000) was as follows:
In October 2014, Mr Laski requested that needed $50,000 to meet business commitments. I advanced the amount of $50,000 by way of loan.
In February 2015, he again started to pressure me and requested a further $105,000. He stated that this money needed for 500 boxes of cigarettes and that he needed the money to pay the monthly mortgage payments on the Brighton Property at 5 Maroona Rd Brighton. I emailed him on 9th February 2015 telling him that I felt pressured and it was causing me a great deal of stress. On 10th February 2015, Mr Laski emailed me advising of the loan and agreeing to grant me a caveat over the Brighton Property. Now shown to me and marked annexure TALl are copies of emails sent to him on 9 February 2015 and his reply to me, at 2.17 am 10th February 2015 pleading for further funds. As consequence of his promise to give me a caveat I paid the amount of $105,000 by way of loan.
During the next few months I reminded Mr Laski that he had to organise the caveat.
In June 2015, he again contacted me and stated that he had needed another $50,000 because the lady who was funding the cigarette deal had "pulled out" and he needed the funds immediately to import the goods. I told him that he had not given me the caveat as promised and I would not be lending any further money. He told me that the house had been sold and that he would get me a caveat and I would be paid at settlement which was going ahead in September 2015. Due to his pressure and stress he put me under I paid the additional $50,000.
24 The text of the emails to which Ms Laski refers in the second paragraph of the extract above should also be set out. Ms Laski's email of 9 February 2015 stated:
Rodney ....once again you have pressured me in the hugest loan to date from me ..in the past it's been only $10.000or $20.000..I'm so deeply distressed .. your repayment record is rather haphazard and some times a hit and miss.
I feel that since the divorce I do not owe you any loyalty any more..
You can now stop worrying as you have now put this worry on me, at the most vulnerable time in my life where I have been told by doctors to be stress free and have absolutely no worries ...this being due to my heart condition.
I'm so worried about the huge amount of $165.000 leaves me with only $305.000 for the build and I need to live as well ...hoping to go to Thailand to meet up with David and Jane from France.
As we both know that if this doesn't work for you I'm seriously screwed ...and you know that it's a fact.
If you really had regard for me I think you would take a mortgage on your $2.000.000 home after all you only have a borrowing of $200.000
I'm going so against my better judgement....with all your fabulous rich friends all I can ask why me?
Can't you find another idiot to pressure?
I'm waiting for my email and its 12.00pm
25 Mr Laski's reply of 10 February 2015 stated:
Tania,
I just woke to check my iPad and it's been on charge for 2.5 hrs. Only 40% charged . Must be something wrong with it.
To outline what we discussed.
A further loan of $105000.00 is required to cover the order of 500 bus. Of cigarettes from Indonesia. There are 50 cartons in each box that sell for $120.00 per carton.
The shipment order converts to $400,000.00 after taxes and duties are paid. I made the commitment to the factory on the basis of the commitment/order of that stupid women I was dealing with, who told me yesterday morning she was not going ahead.
[This, I infer, is a reference to Ms Lauris Fahey: see Principal Judgment at [28]-[29].]
After speaking to you yesterday what was agreed...I will give you a Caveat on Maroona Rd. Brighton for $165,000.00 to cover this loan of $105000.00 plus the $60000.00 that I owe you.
Your loans to me are fully secured,and I will pay them out in 5 months ,the stock will take a month to manufacture, then it will arrive here 10 boxes at a time. As the money comes in the debt will be reduced monthly.
I spoke to the factory to nite,they are 2 hrs. Behind,and I said I would T/T funds on Wednesday morning.the only change is I won't go there as I need to be here for you,when you are operated and convalescing afterwards. I am worried about you,still love you,and I will be here for you.
Please text me Danielle's number,and Tims number so I can put them in my phone memory.
The loan to me can be repaid,as the money comes in as I have orders for 40 boxes straight away,shows a nett profit of $32000.00. ..or $800 .per box.
The backstop is refinancing with Citibank who have offered me $1 million dollars on a hassle free no documentation loan..but it takes 6 to 8 weeks for them to process. I'm seeing Quayle Thursday to email them what they need...documentation wise.
Darling I've caught short because of the bad publicity,which has slowed the business,but not stopped it. I have 6 files on the go for placement and now Sam Kekovich is back working for me doing placements...mainly cooks/chefs in pubs.
Your money is a life saver,please don't say no,I can always as a last resort sell the house and repay you if nothing else works...there is plenty of equity, plus I have $150,000.00 equity in Wallan.I'm paying down debt,but cashflow is lumpy,won the Court case against Palmer last Monday and we will win in April,then I will hit him with a Writ for $800,000.00. But everything must be done step by step,and it takes time. But with Pros help it is all getting there. Please Darling don't stress, I am a person that is always positive,never negative,never give up or get depressed. I don't like to mention it,but all those years fighting OTTO I was there to support you. I could have said this is all too hard,but I didn't. You and me against all those people,,Erikson,Mc Kernan ,Helcutt etc. I put up with it all...never running away from the fight. We have been through a lot together,and I always tried my best with and for Danielle only to be traded in for OTTO ,which is something I think she regrets...a bad judgement call at the time.
That's life...always stay positive..tomorrow is another day ,chin up ,your health will improve after the Op.
I know I have been there on 2 occasions...on life support on 4 occasions.
But you must stay positive,and everything will be alright.
I'll be there for you,nothing has changed.
Love Rod.
Please call me after you have been to the Bank...you are my only hope...please understand that.
If you want the Caveat in Danielle's name in preference to yours, please let me know..it will be prepared accordingly.
26 Ms Laski confirmed in evidence that the person referred to in these emails as Danielle is Ms Laski's (but not Mr Laski's) daughter.
27 A number of features of this evidence should be noted.
28 First, there is no reference to the 2011 written loan agreement, on which Mr Laski, Swishette and Ms Laski rely. In particular, there is no reference by Mr Laski in his email to Ms Laski of that loan agreement. While there is a reference to the Brighton property and to a caveat, the proposal of a caveat appears to be proffered by Mr Laski as some kind of reassurance, especially given the reference to Ms Laski's daughter, Danielle (who has no connection with the 2011 loan agreement). There is no other apparent connection with the 2011 loan agreement, and Mr Laski is the person who could have been expected to refer to it, if these loans were in reality being made pursuant to that agreement. I return to the loan agreement below.
29 In her first affidavit filed in this proceeding on behalf of Clinica and Mr Laski, Ms Laski does refer to the 2011 agreement, and annexes it to her affidavit. I note this affidavit discloses it was prepared by Mr Franzese, on behalf of the respondents (who were at that time only Clinica and Mr Laski).
30 The language in that affidavit does not resonate with the language in Ms Laski's second affidavit, being the one prepared substantially by her for the purposes of this current application. For example, paragraphs 4 and 5 of her first affidavit state:
Now shown to me and marked exhibit TL1 is a copy of a loan agreement dated 2 February 2011, entered into between myself, Mr Laski and Swishette Pty Ltd.
It was a term of this agreement that Swishette Pty Ltd who was the owner of 5 Maroona Road Brighton was to guarantee all loan funds and would grant a charge and mortgage as security for the loan funds.
31 This is formal, legalistic language. I infer it was drafted by Mr Franzese and not Ms Laski. The focus in this affidavit on the 2011 loan agreement was the respondents' focus, not Ms Laski's. That is because the loan agreement is the only source of any purported legal obligation imposed on Swishette to repay money to Ms Laski, and therefore the only source of any possible claim against funds from the sale of the Brighton property. The 2011 loan agreement was evidence upon which the respondents wished to rely so as to carve out of the funds available to satisfy any court orders the sum of $215,000. In my opinion it is likely Mr Laski believed he might be able to claw this money back from Ms Laski in some way, or at least have it "re-lent" to him, whereas if it was to remain in the ACCC's control and possibly subject to court orders, he would lose all possibility of access to it. At the least, a payment of $215,000 would expunge Mr Laski's debt to Ms Laski. Ms Laski's evidence, including the emails sent to her by Mr Laski, do not persuade me that Mr Laski had any real intention of advancing Ms Laski's interests in the $215,000 by relying on this affidavit: rather he sought to keep the $215,000 out of reach of any court orders.
32 Another indication that this affidavit was not drafted by Ms Laski herself, and does not necessarily reflect her own recollection, is that in paragraph 11 the affidavit states:
On 9 June 2015 I [that is, Ms Laski] lodged a caveat over the land situated at 5 Maroona Road Brighton….
33 Ms Laski's clear evidence, confirmed in Mr Laski's evidence in cross-examination, is that Mr Laski lodged that caveat. Mr Laski also confirmed that it was lodged on 9 June 2015. By contrast, Ms Laski stated that she did not know the exact date of lodgement. That Mr Laski lodged the caveat himself, on 9 June 2015, is clear from the caveat itself, which Mr Laski exhibited to his 20 April 2016 affidavit. A further example of inconsistencies between the drafting of Ms Laski's first affidavit and the facts is the difference between the date ascribed to the 2011 agreement in the affidavit (2 February 2011) and the date the agreement itself bears (18 February 2011). Ms Laski was at a loss in cross-examination to explain this discrepancy. I infer that is because she did not compose her first affidavit herself.
34 Accordingly, I am not prepared to place any real weight on the narrative of events as set out in Ms Laski's first affidavit. That narrative was, in my opinion, constructed to advance the interests of Mr Laski in the principal proceeding.
35 Second, the arrangement about the proposed caveat did not arise until Mr Laski's email of 10 February 2015. This confirms the view I have formed and set out below that the caveat was no more than a device on the part of Mr Laski (and, through him, Clinica). The caveat was a device to attempt to link the loans from Ms Laski to the 2011 agreement and thus keep the $215,000 out of the reach of court orders. On the part of Ms Laski, the caveat was a way to put additional pressure on Mr Laski to repay her money. I find she had no regard to whether she had any caveatable interest in the Brighton property. She was interested in the fact of a caveat and its capacity to pressure Mr Laski, not whether it had any sufficient legal basis. It is obvious from subsequent events that Ms Laski never intended to obstruct the sale of the Brighton property, nor to defend any proceedings challenging her claim to a caveatable interest. That is because she remained essentially in the same camp as Mr Laski, and was not a protagonist. When requested, she simply agreed to the withdrawal of the caveat. This lends weight to my view that the caveat was a device, and no more.
36 Third, in her 6 April 2016 affidavit Ms Laski refers to three loans: a loan of $50,000 in October 2014, a loan of $105,000 in February 2015, and a loan of $50,000 in June 2015. The total of those amounts is $205,000, but Ms Laski deposes that she is owed a total of $215,000. The remaining $10,000 is explained by a loan of that amount made by Ms Laski to Mr Laski on 27 April 2010, to which she deposes and provides documentary evidence in her 19 August 2015 affidavit, but which she omits to mention in her 6 April 2016 affidavit. In his affidavit sworn 20 April 2016, Mr Laski deposes that he had previously borrowed $10,000 from Ms Laski on 27 April 2010. I note this is prior to the 2011 written agreement. Ms Laski's emails also refer to this loan. For example, her email of 14 September 2015, after dealing with the $205,000 in other loans, then states:
There is also the $10.000 that I believe you overlooked..
37 I accept that there was an initial loan of $10,000, which is proven by a combination of this evidence, Ms Laski's evidence in her first affidavit and the transaction record annexed to that affidavit. However, the existence of this loan demonstrates that Ms Laski could, and did, engage in separate, ad hoc, loan arrangements with Mr Laski personally. The 2011 loan agreement was a different arrangement altogether.
38 In my opinion the account given by Ms Laski in her 6 April 2016 affidavit should be considered as her more unprompted and reliable account. In contrast, I found Ms Laski quite capable, during her oral evidence, of tailoring what she said to suit the circumstances as she then perceived them.
39 For example, in cross-examination when she was asked about her understanding of the purposes for which Mr Laski needed the funds, Ms Laski's answers were evasive. She attempted to insist the funds were to be used to pay the mortgage on the Brighton property, and was unwilling to accept the clear evidence to the contrary:
So when you paid the $105,000 in February 2015, did you know that money was going to be used for the business?---No. I thought it was for the mortgage - originally for the mortgage but it doesn't matter - it's a loan.
Well, I'm not asking you whether it matters or not. How long - how much after you paid the money did you find out that it was going to be used for the cigarette business?---When he - I'm not sure when he actually sent me an email about it specifically.
Well, was it around the same time? Was it a lot afterwards?---It would be here somewhere.
Well, I'm suggesting to you that when you paid the $105,000 in February, you knew full well that it was going to be used for the cigarette business. Do you agree?---No.
Right?---I've even got, somewhere, the slip for his mortgage. He gave it to me. Probably in my bag somewhere.
And you accept that you paid the moneys on - well, you've still got page 1348 open in front of you in the other book?---Yes.
You paid the $105,000 on 10 February 2015?---Well, that's what it says here.
Yes, at 9.47. So what - you actually go into the bank, do you, at 9.47 and make the payment?---Yes. I went there under pressure because you need to know Rod to know that it's pressure.
Yes. And so, you go to the bank and you ask them to make the transfer?---Yes.
And if you look at the other bundle, so the paginated bundle - go back to the other one - if you go to page 9, you will see there, at the top it says "An email from Rod Laski dated 10 February 2015 at 2.17 am" to you:
Tania, I just woke to check my iPad -
etcetera -
to outline what we discussed, a further loan of $105,000 is required to cover the order of 500 BUS of cigarettes from Indonesia. There are 50 cartons in each box that sold for $120 per carton.
Is that an email that you received on 10 February?---I did. However - - -
And you received it before you made the transfer. Do you agree?---Rod - - -
I'm asking you a "yes," "no" question?---No, I'm trying to explain. No, I have to explain this because otherwise, you're going to make me say whatever it is you want me to say. Rod has a lot of businesses on the go and he likes chatting about them - right - so he may have well and truly chatted about them and I was still - and I'm listening. He's doing this, he's doing that and he's doing the other and I didn't realise that that 105 was to go to cigarettes. I'm sorry. I thought it was for the mortgage. That was it.
So you describe the email exchanges between you and Rod as just chatting. That's all they are, aren't they?---Yes.
They're just chats?---No. They're not chats. They're - they're - they're - they're - he won't talk to me, so I have to send him an email. Right. In fact, nobody would talk to me about this - nobody. Mr Franzese wouldn't say anything to me. He told me not to - to go away. Rod wouldn't talk to me, you didn't ring me and tell me what the problem was and Mr Bigos didn't ring me either, for no reason.
If you turn to the last page in that bundle, page 104. Do you see that?---Yes.
There's an email that you send to Rod on 14 September 2015:
Hi Roddy -
And then next paragraph says:
You probably don't remember, but you did take my bank statements to confirm the $205,000 that I had to transfer to your bank, $50,000 for your house payment, the other 155,000 you urgently needed for Sigmart Proprietary Limited.
?---Well, that's what eventuated out of that.
And you accept that you were told at the time that the $155,000 was urgently needed for Sigmart?---Sigmart was the - the name that he gave me to put the moneys in, you know. I mean, I don't know what Sigmart was or is. I do know.
Well, I suggest to you that you did know at the time that Sigmart was the cigarette business company?---Well, he told me that he was doing cigarette business, but I don't really - you know, I can't sort of say that I knew much about it, really.
[I note that in the passage above, "Cigmart" was transcribed as "Sigmart". Nothing turns on that misspelling, which is a transcription error only.]
40 By the time she gave evidence, Ms Laski well understood the need to connect the loans she had made to the Brighton property, if she was to establish herself as a secured creditor. In my opinion, in evidence such as that which I have extracted above, that is what she attempted to do and resorted to general disclaimers when faced with other evidence that undermined what she said.
41 There were many aspects of Ms Laski's oral evidence which I found unsatisfactory, and her evidence about her financial and property affairs is another example. For instance, she admitted the property she owns in Toorak is unencumbered. She then gave evidence she had never been able to secure a loan over that property, giving various reasons.
42 Yet in one of her many emails to Mr Laski, chasing him for repayment of the moneys she said she lent to him, and seemingly musing in the email to Mr Laski about how she might cover the outstanding building payments on her current property development, Ms Laski stated:
I will take out a normal loan with a bank and repay $450 a week from the rent from lansell …
43 I infer that "lansell" refers to Ms Laski's unencumbered property in Toorak. These significant discrepancies in her evidence remain unexplained.
44 Aside from snippets such as this, Ms Laski gave no evidence about how she has been able to fund her property developments. She described those developments in the following way
Well, I did Toorak - I bought a house in Toorak Road and I did that and then I did a - bought a house in Camberwell and I did that. Then I did up the flat that I'm in at the moment. No, I'm not in it now because I've had to rent it due to the fact that I've no money and now I'm trying to develop a property in Dandenong Road.
45 When asked how she managed to fund all these developments (bearing in mind her earlier evidence about not being able to get a loan) she stated, in an entirely unconvincing and opaque answer:
Because I always bought under. I bought properties under the price, you know.
46 Her evidence was that that she had "made" approximately $1.5 million from these property developments. She gave no evidence about how she came to have relatively large sums of money immediately available to lend to Mr Laski as and when he asked for it.
47 In general terms, I was not inclined to believe much of Ms Laski's oral evidence. I find Ms Laski was prepared to discount, and play down, her ongoing relationship with Mr Laski, and avoided giving evidence about the nature and closeness of it. For example this exchange occurred in cross-examination,
What's your relationship now with Mr Laski? Are you close? No. He - he left me.
48 That evidence is not consistent with the tenor and content of the considerable number of email communications in evidence.
49 The emails annexed to Ms Laski's second affidavit disclose an ongoing and close relationship, albeit affected by considerable frustration on Ms Laski's side. The tenor of almost all of Ms Laski's emails to Mr Laski resembles that of her email of 9 February 2015 above. It is certainly not a tenor reflecting an entirely business-like arrangement. Nor is it a tenor which reflects formality or distance. Rather it seems to me to represent a somewhat volatile and uneven relationship that has considerable emotional and personal aspects to it. Those matters inform and support my findings that the transactions between Ms Laski and Mr Laski were the result of ad hoc approaches to Ms Laski by Mr Laski, as and when he needed further funds because he saw Ms Laski as an easy target for such requests.
50 Where it is relevant to the findings I make, I have referred to Mr Laski's affidavit evidence and his oral evidence on the present issue. In the Principal Judgment at [188] and following, I expressed my views about the reliability of Mr Laski's evidence and I adhere to those views. Accordingly, I place no weight on his evidence that the four advances from Ms Laski were connected with the 2011 loan agreement: that, in my opinion, is a reconstructed position by Mr Laski designed to carve out from the funds on which orders of the Court could operate the sum of $215,000. His evidence in his recent affidavit about the purposes for which he used the funds lent to him by Ms Laski, and how he determined to move funds between various companies controlled by him, provides no legal basis for Ms Laski to be recognised as a secured creditor over the Brighton property.
51 What is of some weight are Mr Laski's statements in his emails to Ms Laski. They reveal a person with the kind of self-interest and capacity for misrepresentation I have outlined in the Principal Judgment. However what they also reveal, in my opinion, is that Mr Laski well understood that he was under an obligation to repay the funds advanced to him by Ms Laski. He was not treating the funds as a gift, or an advance that had been made without the assumption by him of an obligation to repay. For example, on 15 September 2015, Mr Laski wrote:
I will meet you to explain what has happened. All will be well and you will get the money you are owed.
52 On 11 December 2015, Mr Laski stated:
Yes you did lend me $215000 and it will be repaid to you as soon as the Court releases all of Swishettes funds the proceeds of the sale of the Maroona Rd.
53 Mr Laski's affidavit evidence also admitted that the funds paid by Ms Laski to him were loans.