If the information in the disclosure affidavit tended to incriminate the appellant, he was imperilled because he had brought into existence an incriminatory document: the respondents' acceptance of infringement if it had been found that whatever was in the disclosure affidavit would infringe the appellant's privilege recognised the peril. The respondents submitted that the appellant was no more imperilled than a person who was ordered by subpoena to produce a document at court, the order being good and the claim to privilege being made at the time appointed for production. But that is different. The appellant was compelled to make a document which did not previously exist, and no longer had control of the document after its delivery to the judge's associate: all this without any s 128 certificate."
17 Giles JA continued (at [103] and [104]):
"True it is that the court would exercise control over the document, such that it should only go beyond the judge's eyes after it had been decided that a certificate should issue pursuant to either s 128(2), (3) or s 128(5), (6). But that control would initially be exercised without the opposite party having access to the disclosure affidavit itself, upon which amongst other materials the judge decided whether privilege had been made out. As earlier noted, the protection of a s 128 certificate is not complete and, as was recognised in Bax Global (Australia) Pty Ltd v Evans (at [43]-[45]), there 'may on occasions be a special risk of prejudice to the witness even though a certificate is given'.
I recognise the objective of the Bax Global (Australia) Pty Ltd v Evans procedure in the administration of justice. In my opinion, however, it is impermissible for the court to substitute for a person's fundamental common law right the statutory balance of rights, supplemented by court-devised additional protection by way of artificially making the disclosing party a witness, closure of the Court, limitations on who can see the disclosure affidavit, or if privilege is upheld and no certificate is granted return of the affidavit to its maker; all not pursuant to statute but by the court devising a procedure intended to inhibit the direct or derivative use against the person of information tending to incriminate. Taking up the words in Reid v Howard at 17, it is -
' … inimical to the administration of justice for a civil court to compel self-incriminatory disclosures, while fashioning orders to prevent the use of the information thus obtained in a court vested with criminal jurisdiction with respect to the matters disclosed. Nor is justice served by the ad hoc modification or abrogation of a right of general application, particularly not one as fundamental and as important as the privilege against self-incrimination.'"
18 I shall say something presently about an alternative contention of the present defendants based on s.128 of the Evidence Act 1995. Subject to that, I do not at this point have before me in any direct way questions of the kind canvassed in Reid v Howard, Vasil v National Australia Bank Ltd, Griffin v Sogelease Australia Ltd and Ross v Internet Wines Ltd in relation to judge-made regimes for the disclosure of information necessary to test claims that self-incrimination privilege excuses someone from compliance with a court order. I have only to deal with the defendants' contention referred to at paragraphs [6] and [9] above.
19 It is sufficient, at this point, merely to say, first, that, in view of the principle recognised in the Caltex Refining case, that contention cannot be supported so far as any question of self-discrimination of the third (corporate) defendant is concerned; and that, in the case of the natural person defendants, the fact of the existence of the search warrants and the ASIC investigation does not in any way lead to a conclusion that disclosure of everything that order 9 requires to be included in the particular defendant's order 9 affidavit will be inconsistent with maintenance of the privilege. Let it be assumed, for the purposes of illustration only, that a person has obtained money by a single dishonest act entailing criminality, has deposited all that money in a particular bank account and has then applied the money in buying a single item of property by means of a single cheque drawn on that bank account. Those events and their nature might attract the exception by which order 9 is introduced. But the exception would not be attracted in relation to all of the person's other property, bank accounts and bank account entries.
20 The objective of orders 9 and 10 is to require the defendants not only to make their own initial judgment as to which, if any, of the required disclosures will compromise the privilege against self-incrimination. There is also an objective of ensuring that, once a defendant has made that judgment, he should specify in affidavit form the subject matter of the disclosure to which objection is taken and the matters constituting the grounds for the objection. The intention is that there will thereby be a means of subjecting the particular objection to judicial scrutiny so that there may eventually be a decision as to the validity of the claim for the privilege.
21 The approach the defendants took on 27 September 2004 of making a blanket claim in respect of all conceivable disclosures called for by order 9 is inconsistent with the system of particularisation and assessment created by orders 9 and 10. Their approach neither identified any particular disclosure claimed to involve the privilege nor permits any means of assessment of the claim. To the extent that the blanket claim of the defendants implies any application for relief from the requirements of order 9, the application is not one that can be acceded to, at least on the material the defendants have so far chosen to put before the court.
22 There are, however, aspects of the order 10 regime that, in my opinion, require further examination in light of the principles emerging from decided cases to which I have referred. And since order 10 operates in close conjunction with order 9 (in that the two together make up a single and integrated system of disclosure), the reality is that both may require re-assessment. For that reason, the court will, of its own motion, stay the operation of both order 9 and order 10 for a short period to allow the defendants an opportunity to file any interlocutory process they may wish to file for the purpose of seeking variation of those orders.
23 It is necessary to deal briefly with another matter, namely, the defendants' submission (which can apply only to the natural person defendants) that they should be given a certificate under s.128 of the Evidence Act 1995 and be required to comply with order 9 only after such a certificate has been given. That submission throws up a number of issues that were not addressed when the basic proposition was aired briefly before me on 27 September 2004. First and foremost, there is the question whether a natural person defendant required to create and deliver an affidavit in accordance with order 9 or to create and file an affidavit in accordance with order 10 thereby becomes a "witness" as referred to in s.128, that being a term defined in Part 1 of the Dictionary in the Act by reference to clause 7 of Part 2. That question goes to the threshold issue of the availability of s.128 to serve the envisaged purpose. There are also questions about the scope and coverage of a s.128 certificate, once validly and properly given. Not least among these, in the present kind of context, is the question whether the content of an affidavit brought into existence in conformity with order 9 or order 10 is "evidence" as referred to in the protective provisions of s.128(7). Matters of this kind are addressed in Griffin v Sogelease (above) and Ross v Internet Wines (above), each of which comments on the procedure based on Bax v Global (Australia) Pty Ltd v Evans (1999) 47 NSWLR 538.
24 Just as the court is not in a position to accept the submission that everything possibly subject to the disclosure requirement of order 9 is protected by the privilege against self-incrimination, so too it is at this point unable to address the question of "reasonable grounds" (as well as other questions) that must be determined in order to know whether the course dictated by s.128(2) is made applicable.
25 Although, at this stage, the defendants have not made out a case for the grant of either form of relief sought by them on 27 September 2004, I am satisfied, as I have said, that the court should, of its own motion, stay orders 9 and 10 for a short time. This will allow the defendants to consider the possibility of making, by reference to further evidence and submissions, an application for variation of orders 9 and 10 and any application based on s.128 of the Evidence Act they consider warranted, or both such applications. The orders and directions of the court are accordingly as follows: