"Horan was to cultivate the land for the purpose of selling the product of cultivation and in return he was to carry out further clearance and maintenance works on the land to improve its suitability to cultivate for further primary produce. The agreement was that the appellants as the owners of the land would receive 25 per cent of the proceeds of sale of any excess grain harvested. Grain in excess of what is needed to re-sow the land". That's what you said when you made an affidavit in this case. Now first of all you wouldn't have put it quite like that, I think would you. That's rather hifalutin language that you wouldn't have used isn't it?---I don't know, that's - I can't understand what - - -
You wouldn't have said something like, "Horan was to cultivate the land for the purpose of selling the product of cultivation"?---That's correct.
What would you say?---What do you mean, cultivation?
Was he going to farm it?---He was going to sow wheat or barley you know.
In this paragraph you say that the agreement was that you, the family?
---Yeah.
"Would get 25 per cent of the proceeds of the sale of any excess grain harvested, that is in excess of what's needed to re-sow the land"?---And expenses.
Let me just deal with that in parts. Some of the grain that's harvested you'll use to sow next year's crop, is that what you had in mind?---I don't know. I'm not cereal you know in Europe I remember I was young boy you know. Some they used to get seed from somewhere else you know, they buy new one, just changing it you know. But I don't know in Australia, I'm not cereal (indistinct).
You didn't know when you reached the agreement with Mr Horan whether each year he would buy seed and plant a new crop or whether he'd use last year's - - -?---Well I - I had the agreement to sow up there and I mean plant it, you know put them in and like it and what is after expenses so I can get 25 per cent. I didn't ask he get same seed to plant it or to buy it.
What I'm suggesting to you at the moment Mr Koroneos is that what you've said in your affidavit is a little bit different from that?---What is it?
I'm trying to take this in stages. At the moment I'm trying to establish the part of it where you say in your affidavit that what we were talking about was the proceeds of sale of any excess grain harvested, grain in excess of what is needed to re-sow the land. Now just that part about resowing the land. What I was exploring with you is that there really is two ways you can sow a crop where you're repeat sowing the same crop. You can buy your new seed from outside and plant it or you can keep some of the seeds from last years' crop and use them?---That's on Horan's - you know on Horan's you know it's better than me on cereal crops.
HIS HONOUR: But isn't what Mr Williams putting to you correct? You've got to get the seed from somewhere. You either buy it in or keep some from last year?---Well I didn't ask him about that, what he was going to keep for the seed, what are you going to get some for next year, so he can re-sow you know. Then after what is left you know.
MR WILLIAMS: So you didn't know whether he was going to re-sow with last years' seed or buy new seed?---No.
If that's right then how could you have had an agreement with him that was based on the only proceeds that you were entitled to a share of being what was in excess of what was used to re-sow?---Well (indistinct) the agreement with Horan to their farm, then when he come to harvest it, you know to get the crop, after his expenses you know we get 25 per cent, our family to get it. That's very simple. I don't know to put other way round.
The other thing is that there's a difference isn't there between getting 25 per cent of the total - - -?---Not of total, no, on the profit.
Yes, 25 per cent of the total profit - - -?---I mean after expenses.
- - - versus a 25 per cent share of the proceeds of sale of whatever wheat is left over after re-sowing?---That's correct.
There's a difference between those two concepts isn't there?---Not really.
Did you really know what the arrangement was for Mr Horan at all?---H'mm.
Did you really know what the arrangement was for Mr Horan at all?
---Gentlemen you know, we had to agree you know so he can sow the paddock. Then after what - you know after when you come to harvest it you know, so - and he get for his expenses, you know after the expenses if there's any leftover we will share 25 per cent to me, 75 for Horan.
Is this agreement still going?---Well, no.
When did it stop?---We had the company go under (indistinct). They said we better do it with Horan, because they not satisfied what I was doing.
So when the company that bought it, you're talking about ID Land, is that the company you mean?---That's correct, yes.
That's Mr Jeffrey Garvey isn't it? When he bought it he said he wasn't satisfied did he, with what you were doing?---That's correct, more or less.
So he made some other arrangement?---I don't know.
When did that arrangement start and when did your arrangement stop?
---Well why don't you ask - I don't know, I don't know I said.
Well hang on a second Mr Koroneos. You're telling me about an agreement you say you've got with Mr Horan where you get a share of proceeds?---Yes, that's correct.
So when did that agreement come to an end so that you're no longer entitled to a share of proceeds?---I don't know. I don't remember.