HER HONOUR: Before we get to that, I was looking through these documents last night and I came to that end figure which was the instructions for breach [sic] which was about $480,000.
MR SANDBACH: Yes, I think that's right Your Honour.
HER HONOUR: I have never seen anything like that in my life, that is quite extraordinary.
MR SANDBACH: It is a large bill for this court.
HER HONOUR: No it's not a large bill for this court, it's a large bill for any court Mr Sandbach. I mean, you don't want to waste my time do you?
MR SANDBACH: No certainly not Your Honour.
HER HONOUR: It just seems to me to be extraordinary. Absolutely extraordinary.
MR SANDBACH: I have just come from receiving last week a decision of Justice Byrne in a case where the defendant was seeking security for costs and in a case which is just now reaching discovery point, they swore affidavits ---
HER HONOUR: I don't want to hear what has happened in that case, we are talking about this case, in this court and there's a bill for $480,000. Mr Sandbach, there is also a duty on counsel to exercise their judgment.
MR SANDBACH: Absolutely Your Honour.
HER HONOUR: I just think that it is extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary. And because of the fact that the plaintiffs are solicitors, really.
MR SANDBACH: The difficulty in this case Your Honour, was, as Your Honour will see by looking at ---
HER HONOUR: I am sure there were plenty of difficulties in this case but not 480,000 difficulties.
MR SANDBACH: There were every cent of $480,000 worth of difficulties Your Honour.
HER HONOUR: Mr Sandbach.
MR SANDBACH: Part of the reasons was that Judge Anderson's orders prevented the solicitors from looking at the documents themselves or at least some of them, required the solicitors to engage independent experts, requires the solicitors to engage computer consultants and required the solicitors ---
HER HONOUR: So they may have done that but $480,000 for the solicitors to do that? I mean, really, who are these solicitors, what are they doing?
MR SANDBACH: Your Honour, they are endeavouring to deal with an extremely recalcitrant defendant who had gone to great lengths to destroy evidence, conceal evidence ---
HER HONOUR: You have told me about that and even in that context it doesn't give the solicitors a licence to incur $480,000 worth of costs, they would never have been able to get away with it had they had a client and it just smacks ---
MR SANDBACH: Your Honour, sadly the costs do seem to be escalating in litigation these days ---
HER HONOUR: Not to that extent Mr Sandbach and if they are, then it's time that we should reign them in and if solicitors are intent on charging people $480,000, they should not be doing so. You have got parliament, you've got all sorts of people saying that solicitors' costs are getting out of hand and this is just ridiculous.
MR SANDBACH: Your Honour, the bottom line is large although it is, as I say, small by comparison ---
HER HONOUR: I suppose we are going to hear you, there is a two day estimate and I hope that you are going to keep within that, two days prior to Christmas on this argument and I will hear it but I want your instructors to be aware of what it looks like and I want you to exercise some sort of judgment in this matter Mr Sandbach.[59]