Bruce Binns' Explanation for Choosing the Name Winnebago
87 In his affidavit evidence, after dealing with the collapse of the RV business conducted by Freeway, Mr Binns said:
23. I decided in around early 1978 that I would manufacture and supply new motorhomes under a new name. I recall that I wanted to use one of the names which I remembered from my travels in the USA (and which are identified in paragraph 8 above). From my involvement in the industry I knew that Fleetwood and Coachmen were already being used in Australia.
88 The three names which had been mentioned in paragraph 8 of Bruce Binns' affidavit were Fleetwood, Winnebago and Coachmen.
89 In his affidavit evidence, Bruce Binns said that he made enquiries about the name "Winnebago" and discovered that it had been registered as a business name in Victoria by one Gerry Ryan. He said that he arranged with Mr Ryan to purchase that business name in 1978.
90 Senior Counsel for Winnebago cross-examined Bruce Binns as to his reasons for selecting the "Winnebago" name under which to trade after the collapse of the Freeway business.
91 It was suggested to Bruce Binns in cross-examination that he had chosen to use the "Winnebago" name so that he could get the benefit of its goodwill and reputation in Australia for the benefit of the business which he was about to undertake of manufacturing RVs here. Bruce Binns accepted that he simply copied the Winnebago name and the Winnebago logos. He said that, although he understood that the name and logo of a business operates to indicate a distinct corporate personality, he believed that, because Winnebago was not operating in Australia at that time, there would be no objection to his using the Winnebago name and the Winnebago logos. He did not disclose whether his knowledge of Winnebago had increased since 1963. He was, after all, in the trade in Australia and must have had a very good knowledge of Winnebago and its products by 1978. During the course of the cross-examination of Bruce Binns, the following exchange occurred:
Thank you. And you chose the name Winnebago and its logo because you wanted to obtain the benefit of an association in the minds of consumers with the Winnebago brand in the United States, correct?---No, it was definitely not.
Well, why do you say you chose the name and logo of the American Winnebago company?---Well, we originally - as I have mentioned, we originally had the four names that I had remembered and the others were being used and that was not the last straw, but it was one of the last straws. And I was able to buy the name and then we used it under that, but we had no intention, as you say, to trade on the Winnebago American name in America.
I'm sorry. My question to you, Mr Binns, is why did you choose the name and logo of the American Winnebago company if it was not to obtain the benefit of an association in the minds of the consumers with the Winnebago brand in the United States?---I chose the name because they were a respected company in America and they produced a good product.
Quite. And you wanted to associate yourself---?---I didn't want to associate myself. I never have.
Let me finish my question, Mr Binns. You wanted to associate your business with that successful business that you observed in the United States, correct?---No, I didn't want to associate it with that particular business. We were operating in Australia.
And you wanted your consumers to associate your product with the product made by the Winnebago company in the United States, correct?---No. We were operating in Australia and we had no connection with the American company and we never have.
But you wanted people to think you did, correct?---I - no.
It is obvious, isn't it, Mr Binns?---I don't think so.
Thank you. And have you now given the best answer that you feel you possibly can to my question of why you chose the Winnebago name if it was not to try to obtain the benefit of an association in the minds of consumers with the American Winnebago company?---I would consider saying that at that time when we bought the name in '78 that Winnebago in Australia would not have been recognised that much. And yes, I used the name because it was a good company in America.
Well, when you say you didn't think the name Winnebago would be recognised in Australia that much, you certainly knew, didn't you, that there were a significant number of people in Australia who knew about the Winnebago brand in the States?---Only the people that would have travelled and only the people in the industry itself. I think, you know, it wasn't a common name used in Australia.
And you would add to that list, would you not, the people who read the Australian magazine Caravan World?---If they picked up that couple of little items they would recognise it, yes.
Thank you. And you would include in that, would you not, American tourists who came to Australia, correct?---Well, they would know the name. Of course they would.
Thank you. And you were aware that Winnebagos were available to hire in the United Kingdom to Australian travellers there in the 1970s, correct?---I knew of Wilsons, yes.
Yes. Thank you. And Wilsons made no secret of the fact in Australia that they were seeking to promote the hire of Winnebago vehicles in the United Kingdom?---Yes.
Thank you. And you would accept, would you not, that as you understood it in the 1970s there was a significant number of people in Australia who would have known about the Winnebago brand in the United States?---I couldn't justify that; I wouldn't know.
I see. But it is certainly the thing that motivated you to choose the name Winnebago, isn't it? I don't believe so.
92 I think that Bruce Binns well understood and indeed intended that, by adopting the Winnebago name and the Winnebago logos in connection with his business in Australia, he would get the benefit of any reputation which Winnebago and Winnebago RVs had in Australia. I also think that, even as early as 1978, he was of the opinion that there was sufficient awareness amongst the relevant consumers and the trade in Australia of Winnebago, its products and its reputation to make his decision to use the Winnebago marks worthwhile. His decision to do so was clearly not "… commercially irrelevant …". He had just experienced the collapse of the Freeway business and no doubt was keen to ensure that the new business did not suffer the same fate. One way to assist in that endeavour was to attempt to present the new business as an associate of the well-established and highly respected Winnebago. It is apparent from the passage extracted from the evidence of Bruce Binns at [91] above that he had an expectation that there would be, amongst those interested in either purchasing or renting RVs in Australia, a good smattering of persons who were aware of Winnebago and its RVs. He accepted that, in particular, persons who had travelled overseas were likely to have the relevant awareness.
93 I do not find Bruce Binns' earnest denials to the effect that he was not endeavouring to trade off the goodwill and reputation of Winnebago credible. I find that, by choosing to exploit the Winnebago name and the Winnebago logos, he was intending to gain for himself as much benefit as possible in Australia from the goodwill and reputation of Winnebago and its RVs. His decision was motivated by a keen appreciation that he and his associates would gain financial benefit from using the Winnebago marks in Australia.
94 This finding is supported by an advertisement placed by Knott in the June 1995 edition of Australian Caravan World. That advertisement contains the following:
You'd expect nothing less from Winnebago, the world's most respected name in luxury motorhomes.
95 Bruce Binns was cross-examined about this advertisement. He was not able to explain why Knott had made a reference which was clearly a reference to Winnebago in an advertisement for Knott's products in Australia.
96 In addition, there was evidence of a presentation given by Max Mayo to various Knott's dealers. In that presentation, Mr Mayo had specifically mentioned Winnebago as the Rolls Royce of RV manufacturers. (He did not use the words "Rolls Royce", but used words conveying a similar sentiment.)
97 In cross-examination, Bruce Binns was directly confronted with the proposition that Knott had deliberately encouraged dealers to present its RVs as products produced with the blessing of Winnebago. He denied that Knott was doing that. In this part of his evidence, Bruce Binns was reduced to asserting that black was white by attempting to interpret the text of the dealer presentations in a way that the text could not conceivably bear by suggesting that very obvious references to Winnebago and its RVs were in fact references to Knott and RVs produced by Knott. I find this evidence unconvincing and designed to assist the respondents' case.
98 These attempts to explain away the palpable exploitation by Knott of a pretended association between Knott and Winnebago did not reflect well on Bruce Binns' credit. I do not accept the evidence which he gave in this regard.