"You managed to get your car in and out with the fence up. Is that the upshot?---That's quite correct, yes.
You could do it?---Yes.
A number of movements backwards and forwards, I take it?---Yes, as in any carpark.
And there were no other cars in the property area?---No. I did try it in a number of different positions and the Jaguar of course is not renowned as a short-wheel base with a small turning circle. I will agree that there was some manoeuvring to get out of each of the spaces.
Manoeuvring which would be at the very least annoying and inconvenient if you had to do it every day to come in and out?---Certainly inconvenient but if the alternative was to park in the street you would put up with the inconvenience.
What you would also do, I take it, Mr Cowden, if the fence wasn't there, you would, having now tried to experience this carpark, readily accept that anybody coming out of one of the bays under the undercroft area or towards the further south on 981 would choose to drive onto 983 for their manoeuvring?---They may elect to do so. That I don't know.
It is just commonsense, isn't it? The space if there - - -?---If there is space there people will - - -
People will use it?---People may use it, yes.
And having gone through that experience that you did with manoeuvring your car, you would accept, would you not, that it's fairly obvious, given the configuration of the parking on 981, that people would be likely to drive back into any vacant space in 983 in order to manoeuvre their car in or out of the carpark?---They may, depending upon which way you configured 981, whether it was configured in accordance with the town planning permission, which is the initial way which they parked, or whether you configure it the other way.
Yes?---Some may or may not need to.
Yes, and are you saying that because you think configured the other way, if you utilised the Martindale property, you could manage to get in and out without coming onto 983?---Most definitely so.
You accept though that if the Martindale property is, as it now is, blocked off then that would be at the very least extremely difficult if not impossible?---It would be less convenient, I agree with that.
So so long as the Martindale property was blocked off you would accept that there is an inevitability, given either configuration of parking, that people would utilise the tarmac area at the rear of 983 for manoeuvring?---I wouldn't say an inevitability. There is a likelihood that they would, yes.
You wouldn't say inevitable because you don't think it's impossible. Is that right?---You are asking me to predict what people will do.
I'm asking you to use ordinary life experience as a driver?---Certainly not inevitable.
All right, but the likelihood, you would agree, with either configuration, if Martindale was blocked off, is that 983 would be used?---Some of them would use 983, yes."