You were happy to leave in the $336,000?--- I wasn't happy. I had no idea. I assumed---
Mr Fragopoulos, this is just a bit convenient, isn't it?--- It's not. I've just explained to you, I never keep records of anything in particular like this. It's my wife is in charge.
Because you know that that amount included ---? --- How do I know that?
Could you wait for the question, please?--- Go ahead.
Because you knew that that figure of $336,000 included interest and it was the amount that Mr ---? ---How am I supposed to know that, sir?
Because Mr Godfrey had given you schedules from time to time, including interest, showing where the level of indebtedness was? --- Never. The first schedule he gave us with interest again was after we had gone through this ATSIC and he came to us and asked us for our records in order to make his.
Well, they are your records there in that other piece of paper I gave you, aren't they? --- No. It says Vollane [sic], so they must be. The problem that I have right now is for you to understand, to convince you that Mr Brendan Godfrey, if it was consultancy or if it was borrowings, he never gave us any kind of statement, any letters, anything to say that we were - we have paid this or you are in arrears, never, nothing whatsoever. And the reason of that, because we were together in the venture for one reason only, to succeed. If we did not succeed, we support the business in order to pay to get all our losses back.
Well, why didn't you tell the court that? --- Okay. Why did I tell the court what?
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... Vollane's [sic] current indebtedness to ICBM is $336,000. Why did you tell the District Court in Wagga and certify that that was true, if you are now saying that that is not true? --- Okay. This is one of the very few statements that I have ever made in my life and knowing where - now where [Mr Jim Colquhoun, the solicitor acting for Mr Godfrey] was going with this, I realise that even that should not have been done - signed, okay. The reason I had not signed a statement since all this commotion, one or two or three years ago, when this happened, this is in 2007. They came to us, I think, in 2003/2004, so about three years ago. They were asking for a statement and I was denying that. So I had a solicitor that I told him, for this particular letter, I don't want to give any statements. Mr Calhoun [sic], he came up repeatedly and he convinced me, he made all this up. I had no idea of - no understood - yes, this particular paragraph 3 here where it says "Money, advanced by Vollane [sic] to Brendan Godfrey through his company", "secured by a fixed and floating charge over the assets of Vollane [sic]", okay, I didn't even understand most of it, okay. I understand he's talking about Brendan, that he has lent us money, the amount 336. I said, yes, we owe him money, about that, yes, what else, and I moved on and I made some changes, okay. Now you know. This became in here from Jim Calhoun [sic]. I have signed it and I don't believe that this is true.
So you mislead the District Court when you gave evidence in Wagga? --- I did so without my - without my knowledge, yes.
Or are you misleading his Honour in this court now? --- I have no reason.