Listening Devices Act 1984 (NSW)
9 The question of the lawfulness or otherwise of Mr Violi's conduct in recording the two conversations thus depends upon the proper construction of the Listening Devices Act 1984 (NSW), ("the Listening Devices Act").
10 Part 2 of the Listening Devices Act, consisting of ss 5-11, is concerned with offences relating to listening devices. Section 5, so far as is here relevant, provides:
"5(1) A person shall not use, or cause to be used, a listening device -
(a) to record or listen to a private conversation to which the person is not a party; or
(b) to record a private conversation to which the person is a party.
(2) …
(3) Subsection (1)(b) does not apply to the use of a listening device by a party to a private conversation if -
(a) all of the principal parties to the conversation consent, expressly or impliedly, to the listening device being so used; or
(b) a principal party to the conversation consents to the listening device being so used and -
(i) the recording of the conversation is reasonably necessary for the protection of the lawful interests of that principal party; or
(ii) the recording of the conversation is not made for the purpose of communicating or publishing the conversation, or a report of the conversation, to persons who are not parties to the conversation.
(4) …."
11 A tape recorder is a "listening device" within the meaning of the Listening Devices Act (s 3(1)). It seems plain, and neither party suggested to the contrary, that each of Messrs Violi and Pumpa was a "principal party" to the two recorded conversations, and that the two conversations were "private conversations" within the meaning of the Act (s 3(1)).
12 Part 3 of the Listening Devices Act, consisting of ss 12-14, is concerned with the admissibility of evidence. Within Part 3 -
"a reference to the giving of evidence of a private conversation that has come to the knowledge of a person as a result of the use of a listening device includes a reference to the production of a record of such a private conversation" (s 12)
13 Section 13 of the Listening Devices Act, so far as is here relevant, provides:
"13(1) Where a private conversation has come to the knowledge of a person as a result, direct or indirect, of the use of a listening device in contravention of section 5;
(a) evidence of the conversation; and
(b) evidence obtained as a direct consequence of the conversation so coming to the knowledge of that person,
may not be given by that person in any civil or criminal proceedings.
(2) Subsection (1) does not render any evidence inadmissible -
(a) if all of the principal parties to the private conversation concerned consent to the evidence being given;
(b) if the private conversation concerned comes to the knowledge of the person called to give the evidence otherwise than in the manner referred to in that subsection, notwithstanding that the person also obtained knowledge of the conversation in such a manner;
(c) …; or
(d) …."
14 I have not found the Listening Devices Act easy to construe. While it is plain that Mr Violi's conduct in recording the two conversations fell within the terms of s 5(1)(b) of the Act, the intended ambit of the conduct intended to be excluded by s 5(3)(b)(i) from the operation of s 5(3)(b) is not readily identified.
15 I conclude, because of the terms of s 5(1)(b) and (3)(a) of the Listening Devices Act, that a principal party to a conversation who intentionally uses, or causes to be used, a listening device to record that conversation is a person who "consents" to the listening device being so used within the meaning of s 5(3)(b) of the Act.
16 In considering the proper interpretation of subparagraph (i) of s 5(3)(b), it is necessary to bear in mind that s 5 creates an offence (s 10). There is a common law presumption that "mens rea, an evil intention, or knowledge of the wrongfulness of the act" is an essential ingredient of every offence; however, that presumption may be rebutted (He Kaw Teh v The Queen (1985) 157 CLR 523). In He Kaw Teh's case, Gibbs CJ at 529-530 noted that in considering whether the presumption has been rebutted regard is to be had to the words of the statute creating the offence, the subject matter with which the statute deals and whether strict liability will assist in the enforcement of the provision (see also the decision of the South Australian Court of Criminal Appeal in R v Scott (1996) 137 ALR 347).
17 I note that in Marsden v Amalgamated Television Services Pty Limited [2000] NSWSC 465 at para 14, Levine J accepted a submission that s 5(3)(b)(i) of the Listening Devices Act "requires that the question of whether something was reasonably necessary is to be determined objectively." At para 18 his Honour stated:
"It seems to me that the proper construction of s 5(3)(b)(i) requires that at the time of the recording there exist the reasonable necessity for the protection of existing lawful interests. That construction is available from, and is in my view reinforced by, the language of subparagraph 1, which requires the recording of the conversation 'is' reasonably necessary."
18 I understand his Honour by the above passages to have indicated that s 5(3)(b)(i) is to be construed as establishing a wholly objective test. That is, a test which requires that the recording of the conversation be, in an objective sense, reasonably necessary for the protection of an actual lawful interest, existing at the time of the making of the recording, of the relevant principal party.
19 The contrast between the wording of s 5(3)(b)(i) of the Listening Devices Act and other provisions of the same Act provides support for the construction of the subparagraph adopted by Levine J. For example, s 6(1) of the Act provides:
"A person shall not knowingly communicate or publish to any other person a private conversation …." (emphasis added)
20 Perhaps more importantly, s 7(2)(d) of the Act excludes from the prohibition on communication or publication otherwise imposed by s 7(1), the communication or publication of a record of a conversation made by the use of a listening device where the communication or publication -
"is made to a person who has, or is, on reasonable grounds, by the person making the communication or publication, believed to have, such an interest in the private conversation as to make the communication or publication reasonable under the circumstances in which it is made." (emphasis added)
21 The mischief which is intended to be addressed by the Listening Devices Act is the protection of privacy. In moving the second reading of the Listening Devices Bill 1984, the then Attorney-General of New South Wales said:
"The bill will establish safeguards against the unjustified invasion of privacy that can be occasioned by the use of electronic surveillance. In so doing, it seeks to protect one of the most important aspects of individual freedom - the right of people to enjoy their private lives free from interference by the State or by others. …. People should not be expected to live in the fear that every word that they speak may be transmitted or recorded and later repeated to the entire world."
22 I conclude that the subject matter of the Listening Devices Act is such as to suggest that the legislature might well have intended s 5 of the Act to be strictly construed. I further conclude that strict liability in respect of the offence created by s 5 may assist in the enforcement of the provision.
23 I am thus in respectful agreement with the view of s 5(3)(b)(i) of the Listening Devices Act taken, as I understand it, by Levine J in Marsden v Amalgamated Television Services Pty Limited. In my view, a person may only bring himself or herself within s 5(3)(b)(i) if -
(a) he or she is a party to the private conversation;
(b) a principal party to the conversation (who may be the person who uses, or causes to be used, the listening device) consents to the use of the listening device; and
(c) the recording of the conversation is, as a matter of objective judgment, necessary for the protection of an actual lawful interest, existing as at the time of the conversation, of that principal party.
24 It is not necessary for me to decide, and I express no view on, the question of whether the defence that the accused acted under an honest and reasonable mistake as to the existence of facts which if true would have made his or her act innocent would be available to a person charged of an offence against s 5 of the Listening Devices Act (He Kaw Teh per Gibbs CJ at 533). Mr Violi in his evidence on the voire dire did not suggest that he had acted under any such mistake. For this reason it is also not necessary for me to give consideration to the significance, if any, of the defence (assuming it to be available) to the operation of Part 3 of the Act.
25 In the circumstances which I am required to consider, Mr Violi was both a party to a private conversation who used a listening device and a principal party to that conversation who consented to the use of the listening device. Section 5 of the Listening Devices Act will thus have no application to his conduct if the recording of the conversation was at the time of each of the conversations reasonably necessary for the protection of the "lawful interests" of Mr Violi.
26 The only "lawful interests" of Mr Violi that have been suggested in justification of his use of the listening device are his interests in the matters now pleaded in the statement of claim in this proceeding and denied by the defence. That is, the "lawful interests" sought to be relied upon are the very subject matter of this proceeding.
27 I am aware of no authority on the meaning of the expression "lawful interests" in s 5(3)(b)(i) of the Listening Devices Act. Perry J gave passing consideration to a comparable provision of the Listening Devices Act 1972 (SA) in R v Smith (unreported Supreme Court of South Australia, 1 December 1994). His Honour doubted that an interest in a general sense to obtain evidence to assist a criminal investigation would be sufficient to characterise the use of a listening device as a use "for the protection of the lawful interests" of the person using the listening device. However, his Honour was not required to reach a concluded decision on this issue. I have not found the Second Reading speeches or the Explanatory Note to the Listening Devices Bill, 1984 of assistance in this regard.
28 Unassisted by authority, it seems to me that "lawful interests" are to be distinguished from "legal interests". I do not consider that s 5(3)(b)(i) calls for a legal interest in the sense of a legal right, title, duty or liability. Rather I consider that "lawful interests" within the meaning of the paragraph are interests which are not unlawful. The expressions "legitimate interests" or "interests conforming to law", in my view, convey similar meanings to the intended meaning of "lawful interests" in the paragraph.
29 However, in determining what may constitute a persons "lawful interests" within the meaning of s 5(3)(b)(i), of the Listening Devices Act, it is necessary to consider the context in which the expression is used. That context includes Part 3 of the Act which is concerned with the admissibility of evidence in legal proceedings.
30 Section 13 of the Listening Devices Act creates a prima facie prohibition on the giving of evidence obtained by the use of a listening device in contravention of s 5 of the Act. This prima facie prohibition suggests strongly against an intention in the legislature to exclude from the operation of s 5(1) the recording of private conversations for the purpose of using the recording as evidence in proposed or pending legal proceedings - notwithstanding that the obtaining of reliable and probative evidence is ordinarily a lawful and proper thing to do. Nor, in my view, can the legislature have intended to make the question of whether s 13(1) of the Listening Devices Act prima facie renders evidence inadmissible in a legal proceeding depend upon an objective assessment of the merits of claims made in that legal proceeding. In the circumstances of this case, such an objective assessment would involve consideration of whether a contract was entered into between the applicants and the respondent and whether the respondent engaged in unconscionable or misleading or deceptive conduct in contravention of ss 51AA and 52 of the Trade Practices Act 1974 (Cth). A determination of these issues must necessarily await the completion of the hearing.
31 The decision apparently taken by the legislature not to include in the Listening Devices Act a provision equivalent to s 4(2)(a) of the now repealed Listening Devices Act 1969 (NSW) suggests against an intention that a person necessarily has a lawful interest in the recording of every conversation to which he or she is a party. Section 4 of the Listening Devices Act 1969 (NSW) provided, so far as is presently relevant:
"4(1) A person is guilty of an offence against this Act if he uses a listening device to hear, record, or listen to a private conversation.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply -
(a) where the person using the listening device is a party to the private conversation;