"MR KENNEDY: Well, I hear what your Honour says in that
regard and what happened at the listing hearing and I would have
to oppose that, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: Have to what?
MR KENNEDY: I would have to oppose that.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, of course.
MR KENNEDY: But I can understand how your Honour might be
inclined that way and also understand of course that your Honour
has a duty to hear the matter if there is no actual conflict or
apprehension of a conflict or bias. But then again it seems to
me, your Honour, that it may place your Honour and the staff in a
very difficult situation, particularly if a credit issue is to
arise.
HIS HONOUR: I think if you tell me that there is a possible
issue as to credit, I have to take that seriously.
MR KENNEDY: That is the position.
HIS HONOUR: Mr Stretton, certainly if there was no issue of
the kind Mr Kennedy mentioned - and I have to accept his word as
counsel that there is such a possibility or at least a real risk
of such being the case - I certainly feel that would cause
personal embarrassment. It might not otherwise and, indeed, given
your disavowal of any desire to have the matter go over,
notwithstanding knowledge of the position, I feel that otherwise
that an apprehension of bias or interest might be otherwise
dispelled. But it does seem to me that may be a real difficulty
for me and while, if this was a matter of what I would call
urgency and no other judge available to hear it, that might be a
case where I could put that aside and would need to put that
aside, I do not suppose you could say this was a case of that
kind. Would that be right?
MR STRETTON: Your Honour, I suppose it is one thing to spar
at shadows, as it were, and I understand what my friend says, but
if my friend were prepared to make available a proof of the
evidence of the witness which there is a supposed or potential
conflict - Mr Hall - then the matter may well be resolved. I
mean, there may not be a conflict situation for all we know.
HIS HONOUR: Yes, I suppose that is true.
MR STRETTON: And then the whole matter would be resolved. So
that it seems to me that if my learned friend were prepared to do
that ---
MR KENNEDY: I am happy to do that, your Honour, it seems to
me that would be the major issue. There is another subsidiary
issue that may create a problem, may not, with all of the staff
but we could certainly discuss that, your Honour, because we are
not wishing to make this application to avoid the matter being
heard, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: No.
MR KENNEDY: We want the matter to be heard; we want it to be
resolved. It just seemed to us that it was an unfortunate set of
circumstances that we found ourselves in."