Evidence given by Ms Joanne Lovett
122 Between 1998 and early 1999 Ms Lovett had been marketing communications manager for the Asia-Pacific region of the defendant. She knew the plaintiff as a workmate and friend and had a good relationship with her. That relationship had never changed.
123 Ms Lovett as at 4 August 1998 was in California. She was there for a sales conference being away from Sydney for about 10 days.
124 Her evidence was that a "couple of months" prior to August 1998 the plaintiff had had a conversation with her concerning a fall. On her evidence the plaintiff was obviously then in pain. Her evidence was:
"I don't remember the exact words, but I do recall Trudy clutching her back at times as if she was in pain and we spoke about the fact that it was in relation to her slipping on the stairs previously".
125 On Ms Lovett being asked which stairs she was referring to, her evidence was that she thought it was the stairs leading down to the basement to the car park. [transcript page 207]
126 As a result of the plaintiff telling her this she suggested that the plaintiff see a doctor and have a report filed about it in case there were problems down the track. [transcript 207] Under cross-examination in relation to her recommendation that the plaintiff see a doctor, her evidence was that the plaintiff said to her "I will be okay" and that she had said to the plaintiff "Well you don't look okay, you should see somebody about it."
[transcript 216]
127 Ms Lovett gave evidence to the following effect:
"Q. Just reiterate for us, if you would, what you said to her about the fall she described and the injuries she was exhibiting?
A. What I said, exactly what I said to her?
Q. Yes.
A. I said that she looked like she was in pain, she should see a doctor and we discussed the fact that the stairs were slippery"
[transcript page 208]
128 Months after this when Ms Lovett was in the United States she made a telephone call to the plaintiff to see how things were going in the office. The plaintiff told Ms Lovett that she had fallen on the stairs. She thought that she asked the plaintiff if she had seen a doctor or was going to see a doctor. She thought that the telephone call had taken place on about the 11th August. [transcript page 209]
129 When she returned from the United States she saw the plaintiff who appeared to be in a lot of pain and was close to tears on a number of occasions and was walking awkwardly. She saw the plaintiff both at Hornsby hospital and at the San.
130 Under cross-examination she was closely tested as to whether the plaintiff had said to her that there was an accident in early 1998. Her evidence was that she was quite confident of this fact. From memory the occasion when the plaintiff had spoken with her earlier in 1998 was probably closer to April or May.
131 Under cross-examination it was suggested to Ms Lovett that she was mistaken about any conversation with the plaintiff in relation to a fall in the early part of 1998. She did not think that she was mistaken. She was first asked to recall any fall the plaintiff may have had in early 1999 and had given a statement by tape-recorded interview to Commercial and Private Investigations by telephone.
132 Ms Lovett agreed that the stairs as at August 1998 were slippery, that the lighting was poor and that there was a tread missing on one of the stairs. She had herself slipped but not fallen on those stairs.
133 Ms Lovett's evidence was that she had probably taken the claim form exhibit P6 to the hospital. She couldn't remember whether she had retrieved it or whether Mr Olsen had brought it back to the office. On 27 August she had sent a copy of it by facsimile to Indemnity Corporation. [exhibit P17] She could not recall the forms very well. She could not recall whether she was the one who arranged for Mr Bruce-Smith to sign the document before it was sent off. Insofar as the document included the question "To whom was the accident reported?", it was probably her own handwriting where it had been completed "John Parselle".
134 She could not recall whether before these words had been written in, she had spoken to Mr Parselle. She would have taken the plaintiff's word for the information on the document and would have looked at it.
135 She was not certain as to when Mr Parselle had left the company although she recall that he was not involved in the sales conference in the United States. Ms Lovett gave evidence to the following effect:
"Q: Are you sure about that?
A: Not 100 per cent sure, no, but I don't think he was. I think he left a couple of months prior to that.
Q: A couple of months prior to August?
A: I think so. I can't recall, I'm sorry. I know that he wasn't involved in the sales conference that we had in the US.
Q: Before you went to the sales conference, were you aware of the fact that he was to leave the company?
A: Yes, I think he had left the company before I left.
Q: Can I suggest to you in fact the he was still there?
A: Oh, okay.
Q: As at August 1998?
A: He may have been.
Q: And still there up until the end of August 1998?
A: Okay, he may have been.
Q: You just don't have a recollection?
A: I don't, I'm sorry.
[Exhibit P17 document from Ms Lovett to Indemnity Corporation dated 27/8/96, together with annexure comprising four pages, tendered, admitted without objection]
His Honour: Q: Miss Lovett, in relation to the evidence that you've given, as I understand the position, you seem not to be very clear about Mr Parselle in terms of when he was and was not a person that actually left, it being suggested to you that he was there until late August, whereas a few minutes before you thought he had already left and so forth. I don't know in your average day in Sydney when, if he would be there, you would see him or if he wouldn't be there, whether you would know of his whereabouts or not. As between that circumstance of your state of knowing or being unsure about him, as I understand your evidence you've said you were quite sure that Mrs Olsen told you some months before about this fall on those stairs. Are you able to help me, firstly, in relation to the Mr Parselle side of the exercise? Why would you perhaps be not certain or clear about his position at about August or late August and on the other hand, be quite clear of what Mrs Olsen had told you about the earlier fall she had?
A: Well, we knew a while before John left that he was going to be leaving and he had a property south of Sydney and he would often work from there and then come into the office a couple of days. So he wasn't there full-time. So there was a transition period with John leaving the company. Now, I can't recall exactly when he stopped working with us full-time and how long that transition went on for. It was a year where I had I think three bosses in one year, so the management turnover was quite high at that point.
There were changes going on with the takeover of the company in America. John was involved in that to a degree, I guess. So the transition was over a couple of months period, so when you ask me whether he was still with the company, he was probably still with the company as a consultant, but not as managing director because the company in the states had taken over. So the transition was a couple of months long.
Q: Is there any reason that you can put forward as to why you feel so confident about Mrs Olsen having told you some months before about the other fall ?
A: Because I was concerned for her. She appeared to be in pain. It wasn't constant pain, but she did appear to be in pain and I was concerned for her .
Q: Can you just tell me where you were standing when she spoke to you first about that and that sort of thing, the details as you recall them?
A: I don't remember the exact spot I was when she first told me, but it would have been on the ground floor of our office, that is where my office was and it was probably on that level.
Q: In relation to the concern that you've said you had, I know you may have told us about this before in your evidence today, I just want to understand it clearly again, what exactly, as far as you can remember, led you to having that concern about her at that time?
A: What led me to my concern?
Q: Something she said, something you saw?
A: She appeared to be in pain and I asked her what was wrong and she told me that it was her back, relating to the slip on the stairs that she'd had .
Q: When you say "she appeared to be in pain", I know that may suggest a clear impression of what one means when one says "X appeared to be in pain", but there are probably lots of ways in which one could interpret that statement or those words. What do you mean, as best you can now recall, when you tell me that she appeared to you to be in pain?
A: It was flinching in certain positions , it was the fact that she wasn't as bubbly and happy around the office as she usually - as she had previously been. She seemed depressed at times. This is just my observation. But it was the flinching every now and then with movements with her back ."
[transcript page 214.17 to 216.9] [emphasis added]
136 It was put to Ms Lovett under cross-examination that she having been asked in March 1999 about the fall, was probably confusing the August 1998 fall with her evidence as to the earlier fall. In answer to this proposition she steadfastly maintained that she was not confused.
137 Sections of the typed transcript of Ms Lovett's tape-recorded telephone call of 17 March 1999 with Commercial and Private Investigations were admitted into evidence in re- examination. This interview included the following:
"Q. Did you ever witness Trudy Olsen falling down the stairs at Identix?
A. I didn't actually see it with my own eyes, in fact there were two falls that she had, and the first fall was a couple of months previous to the August fall and I saw her not long after the accident. I think I was the one, along with one of the other guys who told her to go to the doctor to have herself checked out. The August fall that she had, I was here in the states, but I heard about it. I wasn't actually there for the second one, but I was there for the first one.
Q. The first fall, you would say that it was possibly in about June or July 1998?
A. It was prior to that, to be honest I can't give you the exact date, but possibly in the first three months of that year.
Q. So in January, February or possibly March?
A. Yes.
Q. What did you witness?
A. I just witnessed the way she was walking. She was also holding her back. It was obvious that she was in a lot of pain.
Q. Did she mention to you which flight of stairs she fell down?
A. She said to me the stairs leading to the car park.
Q. So the stairs leading down to the basement?
A. I assumed that was the flight of stairs she meant.
Q. So she didn't specifically take you to the stairs and show you where she had fallen?
A. No.
Q. After the accident you said she was walking around clutching her back, do you recall which side of the back she was holding?
A. No, I don't. I would only be guessing."
[Pages 4 and 5 from the transcript of the interview with Ms Lovett]
138 In re-examination Ms Lovett was asked whether on the occasion in August when she had learned, whilst in the United States, of the plaintiff's second fall, anything had gone through her mind. Her answer was:
"When I heard that she had fallen I thought ' Oh no, not again' and I thought to myself that maybe she had a problem with balance, a middle ear thing and that's what had caused the two falls". [transcript page 220]
139 Ms Lovett also gave evidence in re-examination that at the time she had the telephone call whilst she was in the United States she was with another employee Ms Monaghan, who was much shorter than the plaintiff, and that Ms Monaghan, in relation to the matter had, referring to the plaintiff, jokingly said to Ms Lovett:
"That's what happens when you've got lovely long legs".