f) I request the Honourable Court to dismiss Mr. Morton as my trustee
and appoint new Trustee who will have an independently fresh look on
all Issues and who will not Blackmail me like Mr. MORTON and his
solicitor.'
8 It will be noted that the applicant says in this affidavit that the first meeting occurred on 19 November 2003. It is now clear from other evidence that the meeting occurred on 18 November 2003.
9 Mr Allan McMonnies, the solicitor then acting for the applicant, swore an affidavit on 31 May 2004. His account of the first meeting, given in that affidavit, is as follows:
'I attended with the applicant at the office of John Curtain & Associates on 18th November, 2003 in the morning for a meeting to discuss possible settlement. This was in the presence of Mr. Nikolaidou. At this meeting the respondent stated that if the applicant did not agree to make a substantial payment to the trustee he would put the heat up and refer the matter to the police. I took exception to the fact of the threat made to refer the matter to the police if money was not paid. I spoke with the applicant after the meeting and stated words to the effect that this was in effect blackmail and is not allowed by law.'
10 In a further affidavit, to which I will refer, Mr McMonnies referred to his affidavit of 31 May 2004 and confirmed that the contents of it were true and correct.
11 The applicant gave oral evidence. His evidence-in-chief was not easy to follow. This was largely because of his tendency to be discursive, and his evident desire to communicate to the Court the details of every complaint that he makes, or would like to make, about the respondent's conduct of the administration. According to the applicant, there were four persons at the meeting: the applicant; Mr McMonnies; the respondent; and the respondent's solicitor, Mr Nikolaidou. The meeting opened with a conversation about a computer, of which the respondent had taken possession, and about whether the applicant could have it returned. The respondent then said that the applicant had been a very difficult customer. According to the applicant, he asked, 'In which way am I a difficult customer?' The respondent then said, 'Look, let's resolve it as civilised people', and began to talk about a previous case in which he said that he had put a Mr Christodoulou in gaol for four years. The respondent then said, 'Look, if you don't pay substantial money, I will put the full force of the law and I will...'. The applicant said, 'Are you threatening me here?' and told the respondent, 'If you're threatening, you can get stuffed.' The applicant then left. At a later stage, the applicant said that he added, 'I walk now. I'm not come here to be threatened.'
12 On the applicant's account, Mr McMonnies then said that he wanted to see what the respondent wanted, and talking began. Mr Nikolaidou laughingly said, 'Mr Trkulja is beyond any threats.' Mr Nikolaidou then repeated the suggestion that, if a substantial amount of money were not put up, the respondent 'can put the heat up.' Mr Nikolaidou said that this was a 'cut-throat situation'. According to the applicant, there was no figure discussed, beyond the requirement for a substantial sum of money. The respondent then made it clear that the payment of such a sum would enable him to bring the bankruptcy to an end, and the applicant would be free. Mr Nikolaidou made reference to the applicant's potential to make money. According to the applicant, there was then discussion about whether Mr Morton had delivered to another person, the defendant in a defamation case in which the applicant is a plaintiff, the applicant's documents relating to the claim. The applicant requested the respondent to, 'Please stop rubbishing my name. I don't have no criminal record.' The respondent alleged that the applicant did have a criminal record.
13 Mr McMonnies also gave oral evidence. He said that he had difficulty remembering the meeting of 18 November 2003, without looking at notes that he had made at the time, or at his affidavit, which he said was made from the notes. He had not brought the notes to the Court with him. In the course of giving evidence about the second meeting, he said that his recollection was prompted by looking at an affidavit that he had made about that meeting. He said he was reminded that the reference to putting the heat up took place at the meeting of 18 November 2003, rather than the second meeting. He thought there was a reference to the police in both meetings. He did not recall a discussion about the return of the computer, or about Mr Christodoulou. He knew that there was a discussion about trying to settle the matter. He did not recall the exact words people said and had not taken careful notes. Nor did he recall a discussion about the respondent rubbishing the applicant's name, or about any criminal record. In cross-examination, Mr McMonnies revealed that he had told the applicant that he thought that what had occurred at one or both of the meetings 'was in the nature of blackmail.' He also thought that the applicant was unhappy with what was happening at the first meeting and did not want to stay there.
14 The respondent also gave oral evidence about both meetings. He made no notes of either, because the discussions were without prejudice. His recollection of both meetings was limited. He did recall discussing with the applicant the terms of a composition. He believed that, at the meeting of 18 November 2003, he said that, if the applicant wanted to be discharged from bankruptcy, he would need to put a composition to his creditors. He believed that he explained to the applicant the mechanics of a composition pursuant to s 73 of the Bankruptcy Act. He believed that he also gave the applicant the alternative of a discharge at any time, on the basis that the respondent could withdraw his objection to a discharge. A reasonable proposal to the creditors would result in a withdrawal of the objection. This would require a meeting, and it would be necessary for the applicant to pay the respondent $5000 to call and conduct that meeting, especially as there would probably be some adjournments.
15 The respondent said that he had been the trustee of the estate of a Mr Christodoulou, who had gone to gaol as a result of the respondent referring a matter directly to the police. Mr Christodoulou had stolen the Titles Office copy of a certificate of title and used it, with a forged signature, to create a mortgage, in order to obtain money. The respondent could not recall mentioning this to the applicant in the context of the meeting on 18 November 2003, although acknowledged that he may have. He also said he may have told the applicant that he would turn the heat up on him, but could not recall this. He did not believe that he threatened to refer anything to the police if money was not paid.
16 In cross-examination by the applicant, the respondent could not recall a discussion about the computer, but conceded that there might have been one. He did not believe that he said that the applicant had a criminal record. He believed that no amount of money was mentioned at the first meeting. He did not believe he said that, if no substantial amount of money was paid, he would turn the heat up and the applicant would finish in gaol like Mr Christodoulou. The respondent had no recollection about any discussion about him visiting the defendant in the defamation case. He did not believe that he said that the applicant had a criminal record. In fact, his evidence was that he did not know whether the applicant has a criminal record, apart from having seen a document suggesting that the applicant had been refused a licence as a private inquiry agent on the basis that he had a criminal record. The respondent could not recall the applicant saying at the meeting, 'Don't rubbish my name.' He did not believe that he had threatened the applicant.
17 Mr Nikolaidou also gave evidence, by means of an affidavit, sworn on 21 June 2004. He was cross-examined by the applicant. The relevant portions of his affidavit are as follows:
'3. On 18 November 2003, I convened a meeting at my office. In
attendance were my client, Robert William Morton, Mr Allen
McMonnies, Mr. Michael Trkulja and me.
4. The purpose of the meeting was to have a without prejudice discussion
about Mr Trkulja making an offer to his creditors which, if accepted
by them, would bring his extended bankruptcy to an end. As soon as
we were all in the same office, I confirmed with Mr McMonnies that
the meeting was to be without prejudice, and that nothing that was
said in the meeting would be used in any subsequent litigation. Before
I was able to say anything further, Mr Trkulja demanded to know from
Mr Morton the whereabouts of his computer. This was a reference by
Mr Trkulja to a computer that was seized by Mr Morton during the
execution of one of the Search Warrants on one of Mr Trakulja's [sic]
premises at 138 A'Beckett Street, Melbourne. Mr Trkulja had been
pursuing this computer for some time. Mr Trkulja was extremely
hostile in his voice, tone and demeanor [sic].
5. I recall Mr Morton saying to Mr Trkulja that the computer was a
separate issue that could be addressed after the meeting. With some
difficulty I was able to calm Mr Trkulja down sufficiently to start the
meeting. I then said to Mr McMonnies and Mr Trkulja that my client
wanted to see if we could sit down and have a discussion to ascertain
whether Mr Trkulja was able to put a proposal to pay money to his
creditors for the purpose of bringing his bankruptcy to an end. I then
said to Mr Trkulja that there are a number of issues still outstanding
in this matter and as I recall I went through all the outstanding issues
as I saw them, in order to indicate that it would be sensible for this
matter to settle if possible.
6. I then said that Mr Morton would explain to him (Mr Trkulja) the ways
in which all these matters could be resolved and he could achieve a
discharge from his bankruptcy. I allowed Mr Morton to explain the
procedure available under the Bankruptcy Act. Mr Morton explained
the ways in which under the Bankruptcy Act a bankrupt could seek a
composition with his creditors, and it usually meant the payment of a
sum of money. It would be then up to Mr Morton to decide whether to
recommend the composition to the creditors having regard to all the
circumstances.
7. I recall Mr Trkulja asking Mr Morton what kind of money he had in
mind. I further recall Mr Morton saying that he did not think it was
appropriate for him to identify the amount of money and it would be
for Mr Trkulja to make any offer assuming he was inclined to do so.
It became clear to me however that Mr Trkulja was not in a position to
put any offer of settlement at that point in time, having regard to his
hostile manner. It was agreed by Mr McMonnies and me that Mr
Trkulja and he would go away and Mr Trkulja would consider his
position and make any offers that he was minded to make at a later
time. The entire meeting was a very tense and hostile affair. I made a
note of the meeting immediately after it concluded.'
18 Mr Nikolaidou's notes of the meeting of 18 November 2003 were exhibited to the affidavit. Although his affidavit account is more full than the notes, the two are consistent.
19 In cross-examination by the applicant, Mr Nikolaidou was asked to recall what happened at the meeting. His evidence was:
'Well, we sat down and we agreed that it was a without prejudice discussion and I remember you were quite hostile to Mr Morton. You were complaining about the fact that he hadn't returned your computer that he had taken from a raid - not a raid, an execution of a warrant, and I think we tried to sort of say that that should be pushed aside and dealt with later because we were there to discuss the possible settlement of the matter. I remember we sort of raised - I said, "Well, these are the outstanding issues." I think I tried to say what the outstanding litigation matters were and other such things and that it would be best to try and see if we could resolve the matter. I said, "Well, Mr Morton can explain how it is you can come to some arrangement with your creditors so that everything is resolved and you can go your way with your life and everybody is free to do other things." As I recall, Mr Morton explained how under the Bankruptcy Act you can reach a composition with your creditors by offering a sum of money in settlement, and if he believes it appropriate he can recommend it to the creditors and they can accept it, or reject it of course, and if they do reject it, that's the end of the bankruptcy; you are - you would be...
If it's accepted, then the bankruptcy comes to an end and that's the end of the matter, and you I think said, "What kind of money do you" - either you or Mr McMonnies, "What kind of money you had in mind?" Mr Morton said, well, he thought it would be more appropriate for you to suggest a sum of money rather than for him to put to you, and it was then generally agreed that you need to think about it or discuss it with your lawyer or whatever, and you would go away and contact, or your lawyer would contact, me at a future date if an offer was to be put. I think that was the discussion generally.'
20 Mr Nikolaidou did not recall the respondent making any threats, or talking about the police. He did not believe that the respondent threatened the applicant. He did not recall the respondent saying that he would put the heat up, or that if the applicant did not pay a substantial sum of money, the respondent would put him in gaol. He did not recall a mention of the case of Mr Christodoulou. He conceded that Mr Christodoulou might have been mentioned. He denied that he himself threatened the applicant. He conceded that the applicant might have said 'get stuffed' in one of the meetings, but could not recall which. Mr Nikolaidou conceded that the respondent might have said that if the applicant did not pay a substantial sum of money, he would put the heat up and would apply the full force of the law, although Mr Nikolaidou did not recall this and there was nothing in his notes suggesting it. Mr Nikolaidou conceded that he might have said 'Mr Trkulja is beyond any threats', by way of a jocular aside. He could not recall the applicant asking the respondent to stop rubbishing him and his family.
21 It is obvious from this summary of the evidence so far that there was no consensus about the details of the meeting of 18 November 2003. The applicant himself put forward different versions. To some extent, the version given by Mr McMonnies in his oral evidence differed from that in his affidavit. The respondent and Mr Nikolaidou said they could not recall a number of the details suggested by the applicant, but in most cases were prepared to concede that the things the applicant suggested had been said might have been said. The one clear difference between the two sides is that the respondent and Mr Nikolaidou denied that the respondent ever threatened that if the applicant did not pay a substantial sum of money, the respondent would report him to the police.
22 In fact, as the applicant revealed in the course of being cross-examined, he had made a recording of the meeting of 18 November 2003, without the knowledge of any of the other participants in that meeting. He tendered in evidence a tape-recording of the meeting. In the absence of any objection to the tender, I admitted the tape-recording into evidence. I requested that the Court's transcript provider provide a transcript of that recording. In a number of instances, the recording is too indistinct, either for a listener to hear exactly what was said, or for the transcriber to transcribe exactly what was said. Many of these indistinct passages are the result of more than one person talking at the same time. Some are no doubt the result of the inadequacy of the recording device for the task, and the fact that it was concealed, rather than being placed in an optimum position. The transcript of the recording therefore bears the inscription '(indistinct)' in a number of places. In addition, when I listened to the tape, it appeared to me that, in a few instances, what appears to have been said by Mr McMonnies has been attributed to the respondent. Those instances are not crucial to the issues in dispute. Despite the imperfections of the recording, it is possible to obtain a fairly clear picture of what was said at the meeting.
23 At an early stage, the applicant did say, 'Before we say anything, can I ask one question? Why I can't get my computer back?' there was brief discussion about this, and then the following exchange occurred:
'The respondent: There is no doubt that this has been a difficult
administration for me to conduct, all right. You are a
very difficult man.
The applicant: It will be more difficult, Mr Morton, from now on. I
will give you a run for your money. You can be sure
that you and Mr Harvey, I will give you a run for the
rest of your life.
The respondent: Yes, well (indistinct) you know (indistinct) you may well
wish to get on with your life.'
24 It is probable that the reference to 'Mr Harvey' in the transcribed version was in fact a reference to a Mr Hardy, a barrister who is the applicant's principal creditor. This exchange was followed by some discussion about whether the applicant was likely to succeed in appealing against the respondent's objections to his discharge from bankruptcy. The respondent then said:
'See, I've reached a turning point in this administration and the turning point is going to mean that either I'm going to turn up the heat and when I turn up the heat - when I say I turn up the heat, I really mean turn up the heat. I have, in previous administrations, difficult administrations, dealt with this - brought the full force of the law to bear and just - one example, Mr Christodoulou, I mean, he spent four and half...
He spent four and a half years in jail which was, you know, basically my doing and...'.
25 The following exchange occurred immediately:
'The applicant: Are you bring us here to threaten me something?
The respondent: No, no, no, I don't.
The applicant: You going do it. If you threaten me it just gets tough
really to really to walk in my (indistinct) you don't
threaten me. Just cut (indistinct) talk. Tell me what -
why we were.
The respondent: No, no, I'm just laying the cards on the table
(indistinct) conversation. I mean, I've got….
Mr Nikolaidou: Mr Trkulja is impervious to all this. I think we can take
it all as read. So maybe let's just...
The applicant: Just straight to the point...
Mr Nikolaidou: Yeah.
The applicant: what you after, mate.
Mr Nikolaidou: I think Mr Trkulja is beyond the threats.
The respondent: Well, any rate, we'll see.
Mr Nikolaidou: But anyway - no, what my client said is this: life can
be made difficult for both, you know. I mean, you've
made difficult for him, he can make it difficult for you
and it's a cut-throat situation. Now, what he's saying
is that he's extended your bankruptcy by five years.
The applicant: That's okay.
Mr Nikolaidou: Now, you said you would appeal, but your appeal
record is not enviable, let's be frank about this, and
therefore it's highly unlikely you will succeed. You
have five more years of bankruptcy. What Mr Morton
has said, if you're prepared to come to a deal which
you are prepared to pay, then he can rescind your
bankruptcy, you will be out there doing whatever you
like and that will be the end of the matter.'
26 The respondent then explained the machinery of a composition pursuant to s 73 of the Bankruptcy Act, including saying that the applicant would have to put $5000 on the table for a start and then put a proposal to creditors, which they may or may not accept. The alternative was that, pursuant to s 149J of the Bankruptcy Act, the trustee has power to withdraw an objection to discharge. If he were to withdraw the objection then the applicant would be discharged and would be free. The applicant said that he was free. He indicated that he could go on the dole and leave the respondent to take his chances and then asked, 'But anyway, what's next?' The respondent said:
'Well, I mean, the proposal would have to be reasonably substantial. You do earn and have the capability of earning a substantial level of income. I'm aware of that. You are aware of that.'
27 The applicant said that the respondent was only guessing. The respondent said that he was more than guessing. The following exchange then occurred: