[4] In Di Carlo v Dubois[2], White J (with whom Williams JA and Wilson J agreed) cited Fountain Selected Meats (Sales) Pty Ltd v International Produce Merchants Pty Ltd[3]; Colgate-Palmolive Company v Cussons Pty Limited[4] and Rosniak v Government Insurance Office[5] as indicating the circumstances in which an order for indemnity costs would be justified under the UCPR. In Rosniak, Mason P[6] said that the discretion to depart from the usual basis for costs is not confined to the situation of what Gummow J in Council of the Municipality of Botany v Secretary, Department of the Arts, Sport, The Environment, Tourism and Territories[7] had described as the "ethically or morally delinquent party", but he held that "[n]evertheless the court requires some evidence of unreasonable conduct, albeit that it need not rise as high as vexation".[8] Chesterman J has preferred a criterion of "something irresponsible about the conduct of the losing party which exposed its opponent to costs which should, in fairness, be ordered on the indemnity basis".[9] Whether the criterion is that of unreasonableness or irresponsibility, the parties here agreed that, as I said in Anderson v AON Risk Services Australia Ltd[10], there must be something about the facts and circumstances beyond the demerit of a party's case, as reflected in the outcome, before such an order is warranted.