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[2021] NSWLEC 1212
Land and Environment Court (NSW)
2020-02-22
Original judgment source is linked above.
The Applicant's contentions
The Council's reply
Facts and evidence
Q. And you find the document itself on page 1980. And just after the shaded extracts that you have quoted from two of the draft conditions, we see a request introduced by you, don't we, asking council to amend the conditions to allow for alternate public allocated road access, and introducing the idea of a new temporary vehicle access control 3.3.5. Do you see this? A. Yes. Q. And this was the issue that I was seeking to debate with you just a few moments ago. I was suggesting to you that this is an issue that was arising for the first time in August 2020 because of changes it was necessary to introduce to the road planning for the subdivision. A. Not that it was necessary, that, that, yeah, it wasn't necessary for the consent. It was just an extra discussion point, given the time we now had. Q. Right, so, you now have time available to you to debate these issues, and you wanted to get the road arrangements right? A. Not that they were right, it was an alternative approach. Q. Well, you identified, did you not, that there were significant problems with the road arrangement as previously proposed? A. Yes. But it's consistent with what the consent granted. Q. And if you had obtained consent in the terms of the previous proposal, you would not have been able to proceed to completion of the development, would you? A. No, we obtained the consent consistent with the previous proposal. Q. And that is because the change in arrangements that had taken place, necessitated a revisiting of the use of the roads? A. Either this approach or the approach that was originally proposed and the consent is consistent with, are both okay outcomes and can be dealt with. ACTING COMMISSIONER: Sorry, I didn't quite understand that answer. WITNESS: Sorry, so we had a proposed approach up until June, in which‑‑ ACTING COMMISSIONER: In terms of road access and bushfire access? WITNESS: Yes, yes. Two roads that relied on two particular lots. That approach was consistent all the way through to June, and is what is reflected in the consent. This third, or this second option that was discussed in August, never actually went anywhere, it was just raised. HALL Q. You had a conversation about that, didn't you, with Mr Rowley, I think it was, a few days later? A. Yes. Q. And in the same volume, the big volume you have got in front of you, if you turn to page 1990 you should, I hope, find an email of Mr Rowley to you of 10 August 2020. You see that? A. Yes. … Q. And firstly, I'll ask you, is that a reasonably accurate reflection of the conversation that you had had, that he introduces with the words "as discussed"? A. Yes, he raised some reasons why it might not be appropriate. Q. And this is, again, I'll use this phrase but disagree with it if you wish to, this is a typical example, isn't it, of the type of interaction that you have with council planning officers every day of your work, seeking to negotiate or debate the most appropriate form of approval that you could obtain for your clients? A. Yes.
Q. And it's a routine, effectively, a routine debate for you to seek to amend the draft conditions that were applied to this approval to make them more suitable, if you can? A. I guess it's not considered routine, we are not always given draft conditions, but it's something that we, the matters involved and the matters that we generally discussed.
Q. That would arise in many similar subdivisions that you have handled on behalf of various clients? A. Yeah. Q. And it was a matter that needed to be resolved before this final consent could issue, wasn't it? A. No. Q. Surely it had to be resolved, because you had to know, did you not, which of the two alternative conditions was to be applied to the consent? A. Our client could deal with either of the options. Q. But you needed to know before the consent issued, you wanted to be aware of which of these two alternatives was the one that would be adopted? A. No, not necessarily we, we were happy with one through to‑‑ Q. I beg your pardon, please continue. A. We were happy with one through until June, and that's the one that was adopted in the consent, and our client is happy to deal with that one." (Tcpt, 19 February 2021, pp 44(32) - 48(14))
Q. You accept, do you not, that the referral did not occur to Rural Fire Service and NRAR until 15 July 2020? A. I believe the referral was generated at a date prior, however the fees were not paid until that date, no, but I believe‑‑ Q. The fees were not paid by that date. A. So, I‑‑ Q. What do you mean by the fees were not paid? A. With - so, with the introduction of the planning portal to Camden Council in 2020, concurrents and referrals are now processed through an online system rather than the traditional method of mailing information with a cheque attached. Through that system, a request is generated for an authority to review an application. The authority then invoices the applicant. Q. But the invoice doesn't get generated until the request is made by the council. Correct? A. I believe - correct. I believe the request was made on 8 July, from memory. Q. 8 July was already after the date when the cap was lifted in relation to contributions. Correct? A. That's correct. ….. Q. But you're aware, are you not, that there's an obligation to have referred this DA 14 days after it was lodged? A. I am aware of that. Q. So are you telling the Commissioner that the council is content to breach the regulation in the event that notification doesn't occur because the two processes are administratively linked? A. No, council is not content. Q. Sorry? A. No, I'm not saying the council is content. ….. Q. The contamination issue was resolved in April of 2020, correct? A. Correct. Q. If the two matters [notification and referral to concurrence bodies] travel together and the notification didn't occur until July 2020, are you saying that it wasn't your fault that the request wasn't made until July 2020? A. Of course it was my fault. … Q. May we take it that as with notification, from April 2020 there was no barrier even if paragraph 20 to the correct, to the referral occurring in April 2020 either, was there? A. There was no barrier, no. Q. Is any reason why it took from April 2020 until July for the referral and the notification to occur? A. There was no reason, no." (Tcpt 19 February 2021, pp 81(42) - 84(27))
Applicant's submissions
Council's submissions
Consideration
The Nolan/Erken conversations
Was the Council unreasonable?
Assuming unreasonableness, does it arise from the Contributions Plan?
Are Colonial and Intrapak clearly wrong?
Conclusion
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TC (Tallwoods) Pty Limited
Camden Council
Some principles about contributions
[1994] HCA 54
[2015] NSWLC 188
(2006) 67 NSWLR 529
(2005) 64 NSWLR 695
(1994) 181 CLR 404
(2003) 58 NSWLR 159
(2013) 251 CLR 396
(2004) 61 NSWLR 707