Koongie-Elvire and Ngarrawanji #3
29 The Koongie-Elvire claim is over 20 years old. There is a written proposed consent determination prepared by the State, and that has existed for some time. Again, it seems that what is stopping people getting their native title recognised and being able to exercise it are differences within the group itself.
30 Until the case management hearing, it seemed there were two sides - a Wawarl Jaru identifying group, and a Kija/Lunga identifying group who had the support of a Nyinin Jaru identifying group. As people spoke at the case management hearing, it became apparent that the Nyinin Jaru identifying people might really see themselves as separate from the Kija/Lunga identifying group.
31 At the request of group members, the Court had organised for Dr Rumsey to assist the Court by participating in a conference of experts, and to engage with the details of Dr Redmond's expert opinions. In the process of preparation for this, Dr Rumsey did meet with some claim group members in the East Kimberley. The State contributed to the costs of this process. However, there is still no agreed outcome.
32 It became clear through the mediation report to the Court, and from what people said at the case management hearing, that not only is the group divided, but the fact there is now a new claim over Halls Creek - called Ngarrawanji #3 - has not helped agreement being reached on the Koongie-Elvire claim. That is because the Jaru identifying people feel they have been left out of the Ngarrawanji #3 claim, even though they say that claim area includes their country, at least in part.
33 Ms Toohey, the Principal Legal Officer at the Kimberley Land Council remains on the record as the solicitor for the Koongie-Elvire applicant. However, she fairly and candidly acknowledged that she was not being given any current instructions by the people who make up the applicant. The general views expressed at the case management hearing were that many people were not happy with the Kimberley Land Council. The Court takes no sides on that issue, but is just recording the views it heard.
34 A major suggestion from almost everyone the Court heard from was that somehow the different groups needed to get advice from different lawyers, ones they felt confident with.
35 There was also a general view expressed that a new anthropologist might help people reach agreement, as people felt the anthropologists who had been more recently assisting had fixed ideas and views.
36 However, it is clear there are real problems in getting funding for any more anthropological work. The Court suggested more use could be made of Kimberley Land Council employed anthropologists, and Ms Toohey agreed. A further suggestion by the State was that Dr Levitus may be able to assist, in a supervisory role over the Kimberley Land Council anthropologists, as he has a long history in this region. Ms Toohey agreed this might be possible, if funding was agreed, perhaps also with some input from Dr Redmond. She agreed that using Kimberley Land Council anthropologists would be much more cost effective. The Court considers this is an important point to consider for the future steps in this claim.
37 The present Ngarrawanji #3 applicant is represented by Mr Charles Wantrup. Mr Wantrup attended some of the case management hearings by video, and sought to assist the Court, for which the Court is grateful. Presently, the claim group description on Ngarrawanji #3 appears to be dominated by Lunga/Kija identifying people.
38 Mr Paul Sheiner appeared with the leave of the Court, to assist those in the Koongie-Elvire group who were Wawarl Jaru identifying.
39 The Koongie-Elvire claim area and the Ngarrawanji #3 claim area are next to each other. The Court's view is that while there might be differences between the claims, and while it is true that Ngarrawanji #3 is a new claim not yet out of the notification period, it is efficient for the Court to manage them together. Many of the same people are involved, or will be involved, because from what people said at the case management hearing, Wawarl Jaru people are also likely to claim interests in at least some of the Ngarrawanji #3 claim area, and they will end up as respondents if there is no change to the claim group description. In other words, one way or another, their interests in the Ngarrawanji #3 claim area will have to be considered.
40 Therefore, the Court has decided to manage these two claims together. The Court heard and understood the strong view expressed by people that Koongie-Elvire is an old claim and needs to be determined. The Court agrees, but the problem is the disputes in the group. So, it is hoped that if the two claims are managed together and different sides of the group feel they have different lawyers they can speak to, this might help.
41 Quite properly, Mr Sheiner asked for some time to see if he received instructions from the Koongie-Elvire applicant as a whole, and also to consider whether, if he ends up acting for any Wawarl Jaru respondents in the Ngarrawanji #3 claim, this poses any kind of conflict of interest for him and his firm. That is a proper matter for him to have some time to consider. There will also need to be funding applications to the Kimberley Land Council for legal representation. However this new case management structure may assist the Kimberley Land Council in considering funding applications, especially when the obligations in s 203BC(3) of the Native Title Act are taken into account - the need for streamlining of processes to make them cost-effective.
42 The Court gave the lawyers some time to discuss what programming orders should be made. Orders have been made which:
(a) make sure all the new lawyers (and therefore also claim group members) have access to any anthropological work for the Koongie-Elvire claim;
(b) give a month or so for any changes to legal representation in the Koongie-Elvire claim; and
(c) allow Judicial Registrar McGregor to continue discussing in a confidential mediation process what is the best way to move both claims towards consent determinations, whether they should be moved together or separately, whether the claims should be divided into parts or kept as a whole, and what is the best way to ensure that a workable PBC can be nominated at the same time as the consent determination is to be made.