During argument, however, it was contended on behalf of the respondent and the Commissioner of Patents that claim 3 was ambiguous in vital respects that were not brought to the notice of the Deputy Commissioner. I do not propose to refer to all of these but I will refer to those that I do regard as deserving thoughtful consideration. In the first place Mr. Hulme, for the Commissioner, contended that claim 3 was hopelessly ambiguous because it was really a method claim misleadingly cast in the form of an apparatus claim. His contention was that as the finely-divided material to be conveyed at the time might be any one of a large number of such materials, it would not be possible to determine whether there was any infringement of claim 3 except when the apparatus was working and material was being conveyed. I am not certain that this is strictly correct although I think it is clear that claim 3 is applicable only when there is a two-inch bed of a material upon the porous medium. The point of the contention was, however, that the permeability of any porous medium was in claim 3 defined not only by reference to its own permeability but to that of a large number of different substances and that this inevitably produced ambiguity, because a porous medium when covered by one material would be within the claim but when covered by another would be outside it. I am conscious of the difficulties that might be experienced in determining whether or not a porous medium was at any particular time within claim 3 but these seem to me to be practical difficulties more concerned with proof than with any ambiguity of language or conception. Somewhat allied to this argument was Mr. Franki's contention that what the latter part of claim 3 would require would be first, a measurement of the pressure required to pass a specified quantity of gas through the porous medium and then of the pressure required to pass the same quantity of gas at the same rate through the porous medium and a two-inch bed of the material to be conveyed and that it is contrary to all reason to think that the former could be greater than the latter, which is, according to his construction, what the claim would require. However, I do not so read the claim. It seems to me that it does require two tests - first of all, a test of the permeability of the porous material and in the second place, a test of the permeability of a two-inch bed of the material to be conveyed "while supported on said porous medium" and, although there may be all sorts of practical difficulties in making such a test, they, as it was admitted, are not matters that I can take into account on this application.