8. In Wise's Case (1962) 1 QB 638 Diplock L.J. dissented from the other members of the Court. He observed (1962) 1 QB, at p 673 that in that case the major item in the damages awarded was the sum of 15,000 pounds, described as being for "the loss of the amenities of life, which here means something very much approaching the loss of life itself except in a physical existence". His Lordship then proceeded: "The principle which the judge applied in arriving at this sum is stated in a number of slightly different ways. The first, which is unexceptionable, was that 'when a person has been injured he must be compensated on the basis of what in fact he has lost'. The second way in which he stated it was that 'to compensate a person for injuries it does not matter whether he knows or not'. This is ambiguous - and erroneous if 'injury' means 'physical injury' in which consciousness of deprivation if present must always be an element in the damage" (1962) 1 QB, at p 673 . In West's Case [1963] UKHL 3; (1964) AC 326 Lord Reid and Lord Devlin were the dissentients. I quote from the speech of the former: "There are two views about the true basis for this kind of compensation. One is that the man is simply being compensated for the loss of his leg or the impairment of his digestion. The other is that his real loss is not so much his physical injury as the loss of those opportunities to lead a full and normal life which are now denied to him by his physical condition - for the multitude of deprivations and even petty annoyances which he must tolerate. Unless I am prevented by authority I would think that the ordinary man is, at least after the first few months, far less concerned about his physical injury than about the dislocation of his normal life. So I would think that compensation should be based much less on the nature of the injuries than on the extent of the injured man's consequential difficulties in his daily life. It is true that in practice one tends to look at the matter objectively and to regard the physical loss of an eye or a limb as the subject for compensation. But I think that is because the consequences of such a loss are very much the same for all normal people. If one takes the case of injury to an internal organ, I think the true view becomes apparent. It is more difficult to say there that the plaintiff is being paid for the physical damage done to his liver or stomach or even his brain, and much more reasonable to say that he is being paid for the extent to which that injury will prevent him from living a full and normal life and for what he will suffer from being unable to do so. If that is so, then I think it must follow that if a man's injuries make him wholly unconscious so that he suffers none of those daily frustrations or inconveniences, he ought to get less than the man who is every day acutely conscious of what he suffers and what he has lost. I do not say that he should get nothing. This is not a question that can be decided logically. I think that there are two elements, what he has lost and what he must feel about it, and of the two I think the latter is generally the more important to the injured man. To my mind there is something unreal in saying that a man who knows and feels nothing should get the same as a man who has to live with and put up with his disabilities, merely because they have sustained comparable physical injuries" (1964) AC, at p 341 . Ultimately he added: "I would consider separately the objective and the subjective element arising from the respondent's injuries. Accepting that in view of her shortened expectation of life 17,500 pounds would be a fair sum if the respondent were fully conscious of her position, I would think that not more than 5,000 pounds of that ought to be attributed to the actual physical injuries, and then the question is to what extent the respondent is conscious and suffering" (1964) AC, at p 343 . Lord Devlin also thought that in assessing damages for the loss of amenities of life two factors should be taken into consideration, one "objective" and the other "subjective". He said: "There are two ways in which this loss of enjoyment can be considered. It can be said that from beginning to end it is really all mental suffering. Loss of enjoyment is experienced in the mind and nowhere else. It may start with acute distress at the inability to use a limb in games or exercise as before or just in getting about, and may end with a nagging sense of frustration. If this is the true view, then total unconsciousness as in Wise v. Kaye (1962) 1 QB 638 relieves all mental suffering and nothing can be recovered for a deprivation which is not being experienced. The other way to look upon the deprivation of a limb is as the loss of a personal asset, something in the nature of property. A limb can be put both to profitable use and to pleasurable use. In so far as it is put to profitable use, the loss is compensated for by calculating loss of earnings and not by assessing mental pain. On the same principle, it can be said, a sum must be assessed for loss of pleasurable use irrespective of whether there is mental suffering or not" (1964) AC, at p 355 . Later he proceeded: "My Lords, as might be expected, English law has not come down firmly in favour of either of these two ways to the exclusion of the other. It favours a compound of both, as was agreed in argument and as I shall show later by reference to the authorities. The elements to be compounded have been called the objective and the subjective. The loss of property element is objective; it requires some sort of valuation that is in no way dependent on the victim's sense of loss. The other element is subjective because it depends entirely on mental suffering actually experienced" (1964) AC, at p 355 . Finally he concluded: "What has to be compensated for in this assessment is a total loss of enjoyment of all the faculties, a complete loss of the pleasure of living. When the victim knows his fate, he will suffer from the distress which, except in the most saintly or philosophical, is caused by the prospect of death; and for that clearly he must be compensated. But what if he never knows his fate? It has been decided that he still must have some compensation, which should be moderate. The doctrine, I think, originated in Scotland, and Lord Sands took the view that the objective element grew out of the subjective. In Reid v. Lanarkshire Traction Co. (1934) SC 79, at p 84 he said that 'while the doctrine of an award in respect of the shortening of life may have originated in the theory of mental disquiet about the prospect or the possibility of death . . . that doctrine is now a matter positivi juris irrespective of the presence or absence of evidence as to the sufferer's state of mind in the particular case'. But, he said, he should warn the jury that the weight to be given to this element must be moderate and they must not consider what price the man would have put upon his life. The problem of the separation of the two elements first arose in England because of the Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 1934, which allowed the executors of a dead man to sue for damages for personal injury, the right to which had accrued before the man's death. Clearly, if he had suffered from the prospect of death, damages could be recovered, as they could be for any other form of physical or mental suffering. But if death came suddenly, could the executors recover anything at all? It was said that they could not on two grounds. One ground was that there was no mental suffering in such a case, and this was the ground adopted by Mackinnon J. in Slater v. Spreag (1936) 1 KB 83, at p 89; (1935) 51 TLR 577, at p 579 and Humphreys J. in Rose v. Ford (1937) AC 826, at p 828 . This amounted to a denial that there was any objective element in the assessment. The other ground was the technical one that damages for loss of expectation of life were the same thing as damages for injury inflicted by death, and that an old rule of the common law, left intact by the Act of 1934, forbade a recovery of damages in such a case. Both these arguments were negatived by this House in Rose v. Ford (1937) AC 826, at p 858 . I accept this decision as an authority binding on your Lordships that there is an objective element in damages for loss of enjoyment of life, whether it is caused by death or by maiming or by any other form of physical injury" (1964) AC, at pp 359, 360 . (at p111)