Q. Yeah.
A. And he pulled me into the car and then he started to do that.
Q.. O.K. What did he do in the car?
A. He pulled down his pants and he started to pull down, oh, sorry, pull up my dress. And he, he moved my underwear aside and he stuck his private in mine.
Q. O.K. Yeah. Then what happened?
A. And then he did that and I was trying to say, stop it…
…
Q. And he asked me to have S-E-X. Is that right?
A. Uh-huh.
Q. And you said, No.
A. Yeah I said, No.
Q. O.K. What do you think he meant by that?
A .Um…
Q. Had you ever heard of that before?
A. Just normal.
Q. Had you heard of that before?
A. Yeah.
Q. How did you hear about that?
A. On T.V.
Q. O.K. Right. Had you ever seen that before?
A. No, never.
…
Q. Have you ever seen a man's private before, a boy's private before that day?
A. (No audible reply).
Q. No. O.K. All right. What did it look like? Was it, I know it's a bit embarrassing but if you try really hard to remember what, how would you describe it if you saw it?
A. Well…
Q. You can say anything, that's all right.
A. Um…
Q. Do you want me to look over here so you can, so I'm not looking at you or…
A. No, oh, stiff.
…
Q. O.K. And he moved your underwear aside.
A. Yeah.
Q. How did he do that? How did he move your underwear aside?
A. He grabbed that side of it and just pulled it over.
Q. Pulled it across. O.K. And when you said that he started doing sex what do you mean by that?
A. He just started doing the normal.
Q. O.K. What's, what's the normal?
A. Um…
Q. Did he do something with a part of his body or, or what?
A. No, only his private.
Q. O.K. What did he do with his private.
A. He stuck it in my private.
…
Q. O.K. Was it in your, was it inside your private or was it on the outside of your private that…
A. Inside.
Q. Inside.
A. Yeah.
Q. How, how far inside?
A. About that much.
Q. So you just showed me with your fingers there about 2 centimetres. Is that right?
A. 2 centimetres, yeah.
…
Q. Did the twelve year old boy do anything else with any part of his body apart from…
A. No.
Q.….his private?
A. No.
26 After his Honour had viewed the videotapes there was this debate -
HIS HONOUR: Mr Crown, it is part of your case isn't it, that although the girl was penetrated by a male.
CROWN PROSECUTOR: Yes Your Honour:
HIS HONOUR: By two males.
CROWN PROSECUTOR: Two males.
HIS HONOUR: One was a 12 year old, so that he couldn't have caused the damage, the resultant damage to the hymen and that area.
CROWN PROSECUTOR: That's right your Honour, that's the.
HIS HONOUR: Well it seems to me, if that be so, that if there was an opportunity - there's no time limit as I understand it put on when the injuries were.
CROWN PROSECUTOR: There's not your Honour, no.
HIS HONOUR: Now it seems to me if that's so, the accused should be given the opportunity to ask the young girl these questions in relation to Section 293(4)(c), pertaining to the injury. Whether in the period she knew (KW). Whether he was a boyfriend of her mother I don't think is relevant as to what her understanding of what his position in the household was. But I'll allow you to ask firstly whether she knew (KW). And that, she can be asked whether at times he lived in the house with her and her mother, whether at times she was in the company of (KW), and finally, whether he at any time tried to or penetrated her in any way.
CROWN PROSECUTOR: Yes your Honour, I've got no objection.
HIS HONOUR: That's as far as I'll let it go Mr Parker, I'm not going to allow any other material. I think that's really what you're after, and I think that that allows a fairness to the accused to put the material that you want to put on the basis that you want to put it. I'm not going to allow it on - what submission are you going to make?
Assume I allowed all of that cross-examination, what would be your submission to the jury?
PARKER: The other aspect of it was --
HIS HONOUR: Well that's what I am asking. What's your submission to the jury, assume I allow all of it?
PARKER: Depending on what emerged. It would probably be that here was material that the jury could regard as explaining the fact if the jury so perceived that for a girl of her young age, she had an advanced knowledge of sexual matters otherwise than attributing it to the activities of the accused. That was the other aspect of it (emphasis added).
HIS HONOUR: No, I'm not going to allow that type of cross-examination. In my view that's the very type of cross-examination that this Section of the Act is aimed at preventing. And I do not think in my view that it is unfairly prejudicial to the accused to not allow that.
PARKER: I understand your Honour's reason. I mean the extent to which I would put a submission like that to the jury in any event would depend I guess on the extent to which the Crown sought to make something of that idea (emphasis added).
HIS HONOUR: Well I don't know, but in my view it's a fishing expedition, and it's not the type of material that would be, as I say, it's my view that the Section is aimed at that very type of cross-examination. I'm not being critical of you, I understand you've got a duty to do, but in the light of the Crown resting the material on the - in relation to the size of the penis, I think that's a proper line of cross-examination that you can - in relation to those limited questions. And I am not going to let a far ranging cross-examination so let's make it clear what I will allow.
I will allow a question in relation to number A in the document that you handed up to me as to whether she knew (KW).
Number B on the document that you handed up, whether at times he lived in the same household as her and her mother.
Number C, whether at times she was left - or she was left in his care.
And number L, whether he carried out any act or acts involving penetration of her.
Now that might have to be more than one question, but I'm not going to allow a long ranging question in relation to it. It's limited to whether he had in fact penetrated her in any way or tried to penetrate her in any way.
PARKER: I understand your Honour fully.
HIS HONOUR: Well, I'll allow digital or penile I think.
CROWN PROSECUTOR: I wouldn't object to that your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: I think it doesn't really carry the matter much further in relation to the digital, but I think it may well be allowable, and I'll allow that. But that's as far as I'll allow any cross-examination of the young girl in relation to the matters referred to in the document signed by you, and which I'll just have put with the papers. All right?
PARKER: Your Honour pleases.
27 There was no further response from the Crown Prosecutor.
28 The reference in the document MFI 1 to subs (4)(c) was to para (ii). The evidence the Crown had foreshadowed about the state or absence of the complainant's hymen would if accepted demonstrate that the complainant had an injury consistent with her complaint and rape. That might support the complainant's evidence. It was therefore appropriate for his Honour to grant leave to cross-examine about other ways in which that condition might have come about.
29 That was not the only consideration, however, because counsel relied on also on subs (6). The first thing his Honour had to decide was whether the subsection applied. While it was nowhere disclosed that the complainant lacked experience of the kinds of acts she described in her first interview, defence counsel obviously took the view that the very age of the complainant implied a lack of experience. Unfortunately, defence counsel did not develop his submissions in any depth and his Honour's judgment was very brief. However, I do not think that the material put before his Honour raised an implication likely to be relied on by the Crown that the complainant lacked experience. The Crown Prosecutor did not say that he intended to present the case in that way. As far as the evidence went, the Crown case was that the complainant did not lack experience. There were her references to what the twelve year old boy had done, to what she had seen on television and to what she had seen otherwise. Her answers that what the twelve year old boy had done was "normal" sex implied the opposite of a lack of experience. I do not consider that, as the Crown case then appeared, subs (6) had any application. His Honour did not err in refusing leave to cross-examine on the topics (d) - (k) in MFI 1.