Paragraph 37 - grounds for believing the alleged public interest disclosure to be true
12 As indicated in the previous reasons, the applicant claims that he made an appropriate disclosure of public interest information so as to attract the operation of relevant provisions of the PID Act. Paragraph 37 of the statement of claim is as follows:
In making the Public Interest Disclosure, Associate Professor Schröder-Turk:
(a) believed on reasonable grounds that the information was true;
(b) alternatively, had no reasonable grounds on which to form a belief about the truth of the information but believed on reasonable grounds that the information may be true.
Particulars
Associate Professor Schröder-Turk's reasonable grounds were based on discussions with Murdoch University staff.
13 The interlocutory application proceeded on the basis that this paragraph goes to the elements of the applicant's PID Act claim as required by s 5(2) of that Act, which provides that:
A person makes an appropriate disclosure of public interest information if, and only if, the person who makes the disclosure -
(a) believes on reasonable grounds that the information is true; or
(b) has no reasonable grounds on which to form a belief about the truth of the information but believes on reasonable grounds that the information may be true.
14 In relation to its complaint about the adequacy of the particulars which are provided in paragraph 37, the University relies on r 16.43 of the Federal Court Rules, which I have set out above. I accept that rule applies here. Paragraph 37 gives certain particulars of the facts on which the applicant relies in order to say he had a condition of mind, namely a belief. He relies on discussions. The University seeks particulars of the discussions. It is therefore seeking (further) particulars of the facts on which the applicant relies to plead that he had a certain condition of mind.
15 In form, the applicant's plea is both as to the fact of his belief - the state of mind - and that the belief was based on reasonable grounds. But I do not consider that r 16.43(1) should be read with an eye astute to such fine distinctions. It should be read in the context of the purpose of this part of the rules being to ensure that the party receives fair notice of the case to be made against it at trial, but not the evidence, so that the party is not prejudiced in the conduct of the party's case: see in particular r 16.02(1)(d) and r 16.45(1).
16 Rule 16.43(3) defines a condition of mind, apparently exhaustively, to mean knowledge, or any disorder or disability of the party's mind, or any fraudulent intention of the party. Only the first of these is presently relevant. Whether a belief is the same thing as knowledge may be open to argument in some contexts but I do not consider that matters here. To say that the belief was on reasonable grounds and that the grounds were based on discussions with University staff is equivalent to saying that the applicant had knowledge of the contents of the belief. The applicant did not contend to the contrary.
17 The applicant does not claim he was under no obligation to provide particulars of the reasonable grounds on which he says he held the belief; rather, he submits that he has given the particulars. He has said that the belief is based on discussions with Murdoch University staff. He says that to ask about who those staff are, and the nature of the discussions, is to seek evidence.
18 I disagree. To refer in a general way to unspecified conversations with unidentified persons is not to give particulars. It is established practice that where a party pleads a conversation, the party should give particulars of who took part in it, where and when it occurred, and the substance of what was said. It is true that in form paragraph 37 does not plead the conversations as material facts, but that does not change the application of the principle in substance.
19 If the applicant relies on conversations he had with people, the University is entitled to prepare its case by approaching those people, and asking them whether they did have the conversation, and whether what was alleged to have been said was indeed said. The details that permit the University to do that are not evidence. Evidence would be the resulting accounts given by each individual who took part in the conversation of what that individual remembers about what was said. The line between particulars and evidence is a fine one: Conway v Mercedes-Benz Australia / Pacific Pty Ltd ACN 004 411 410 [2010] FCA 72 at [7] (Katzmann J). But it is well recognised that details of the kind that the University seeks here fall on the right side of the line.
20 I do, however, think that the precise form of the orders that the University seeks in relation to particulars of this paragraph reflects an unnecessary degree of formalism. It seeks orders for particulars of each of paragraphs 37(a) and 37(b) and in relation to each, seeks particulars of material facts the applicant will rely upon to demonstrate the reasonable grounds on which the applicant believed the information pleaded was true, including but not limited to the particulars of the discussions with Murdoch University staff. But it is clear that the discussions referred to under the heading 'Particulars' in paragraph 37 relate to the reasonable grounds referred to in both paragraphs 37(a) and 37(b). The applicant has confirmed as much in correspondence. There is no reason to suppose that the applicant relies on any other matters. If the applicant does seek to rely on anything else at trial without giving fair notice, he may be precluded from doing so.
21 Counsel for the University submitted that the lack of the particulars his client seeks gave rise to both what he called a 'pleading prejudice' and a 'forensic prejudice'. The pleading prejudice was said to include the consequence that if the substance of the conversations is not identified, then the reasonable grounds on which the applicant said he held the belief, that is, the nature and content of the reasonable grounds, are also not identified. Even though the reasonableness or otherwise of the grounds might be within the knowledge of the University, and could be pleaded to independently of the existence of the conversations, if the University is not told exactly what those grounds are, then it is forced to speculate and cannot plead to the allegation properly.
22 Counsel for the University also referred to the forensic prejudice which the University faced which (he said in effect) was a result of the University's present inability to do what I outlined earlier, namely, approach the people said to have had the conversations and obtain such evidence from them as it may be possible to obtain.
23 In large part, those submissions were directed to the question of whether, despite r 16.45(3) of the Federal Court Rules, the applicant should be ordered to provide those particulars now, before the University has filed its defence. However, helpful submissions and concessions made on the part of counsel for both parties during the course of the argument of this interlocutory application mean that, in view of the course I propose to take, that issue has fallen away. The applicant indicated that he intends to file an amended statement of claim and should be in a position to do so within a week. Counsel for the applicant also indicated that if I order his client to provide particulars of the conversations referred to in paragraph 37, it would be possible to include those particulars in the amended statement of claim.
24 Counsel for the applicant submitted that this was, in substance, the provision of particulars before the defence. While that may be so, and while the policy behind r 16.45(3) to discourage delay in close of pleadings and the joinder of issues is an important one, in the present circumstances I do not consider that there is any offence against that policy if I require the particulars to be provided in an amended statement of claim. The applicant is going to file that document soon anyway. He gave no reason why the document cannot include such further particulars as are required.
25 Whether or not that contravenes the letter of r 16.45(3), it is consistent with the intent of this part of the rules, for example, r 16.41(1), which I have quoted above. It is also consistent with the note to r 16.45 itself, the first sentence of which says, 'The intent of the pleading rules is that a party should include all material facts in its pleadings as initially filed so that there is no unfairness to another party by any lack of particularity.'
26 I will hear from the parties as to the precise wording of the order, but it may include a direction that when the applicant files his amended statement of claim, that statement of claim includes particulars in relation to each discussion with Murdoch University staff referred to in paragraph 37. That means particulars of the time and place at which the discussion occurred, the staff member or staff members with whom it occurred, and the substance of the discussion, including the reasonable grounds for the alleged belief which are said to have followed from the discussion.