You, Mr Murrell, played a significant role in this offending. Among other things, you discussed with Saner stealing a getaway car for the robbery and on 23 October you told him to get rid of a Corolla he had stolen because the robbery was still a while way; on 23 October you told your brother, Anoir, that you had been to Ballarat to look at the job and that each of the conspirators would make $20,000 to $30,000; over a number of days you discussed with Kamal his participation in the robbery (possibly with another man from Sydney) and asked him to get a weapon; but then you later told Kamal not to worry about the gun as you had obtained a weapon yourself; you went to Ngaa's premises and recruited him for the enterprise; you picked up Kamal at the airport and he stayed with you at your premises in Point Cook. Then, on 30 October in a surveillance exercise, you and Kamal drove to Ballarat and entered the targeted premises to check it out. On 31 October, you discussed with Saner stealing a getaway car that day but were unsuccessful in doing that until the next day, see: charge 9 and 10. On 1 November, you told Saner you had a gun put away and asked him to organise cable ties that were big enough to go around a person's hands and the following day you discussed with Saner clothing to be worn and told him that Ngaa and Kamal were going to go inside the targeted premises whilst you would be watching the police station nearby and he, Saner, would be out the front in the getaway car. Saner did not want to do this because he might be recognised as someone living in the area, and suggested that instead you, Mr Murrell, could be the getaway driver. On the morning of the proposed robbery, you drove Kamal and Ngaa in your Subaru from your home to Saner's home and then the four of you drove past JD's in Ballarat in your car so you could check out the robbery target. Then the group stole a getaway car which you started without keys and parked outside JD's, see: charge 11. You all then returned to Saner's before setting off for the robbery which ... was thwarted by your arrests.[150]