"HIS HONOUR: I take it from that that some jurors are satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty of wilful murder, that is, that he unlawfully killed the deceased intending to cause his death, but some jurors are not so satisfied beyond reasonable doubt, but are satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that he unlawfully killed the deceased intending to do him grievous bodily harm.
So we are, as you say, stuck in that situation. Can I take it, from what you say, that really there is no possibility of anybody shifting their position, that you have reached final views, each one of you, in relation to your own conscience, and it's unlikely that you would be prepared to further discuss it and consider whether or not you could meet the views of others?
THE FOREMAN: Yeah, I think so, your Honour. We don't think we could come to a decision.
HIS HONOUR: No. You have been there 8 hours, which is a long period of time. You could remain seated, Mr Foreman. You have been there 8 hours, which is a long period of time by any stretch of the imagination, but of course it's a very serious case. It seems unfortunate that you are in a position where some of you are satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on one and some satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on another. It's not as if you can't reach a verdict at all. Some would wish to reach a verdict on one particular crime and others would wish to reach a verdict on another.
The position is that judges are reluctant to discharge juries. Usually the position is that, given enough time, juries can reach a unanimous verdict, but of course you have had 8 hours and I know time has run for a very long period today.
If there is any prospect of you retiring to the jury room to consider each other's views, to give very careful thought to the views of each, notwithstanding that you must honestly reach a verdict in accordance with your own conscience, I would be happy to send you back, but if the position is you are determined that there is really no prospect of that happening, then there is no point in sending you back again and us staying and you staying into the late hours of the night.
Really all I can say is that it is a very important responsibility to give a true verdict on the evidence. There is and has to be room for individual experience, individual wisdom, and each juror must judge the evidence fairly and impartially. You have to listen carefully and objectively to the views of fellow jurors, weigh up their opinions - and of course you have already been doing that, I realise that - but calm and objective discussion of the evidence is all that we can ask for.
I don't want to send you back unnecessarily, but is there any prospect the 12 of you, if you just talk amongst yourselves, is there any prospect, if you have regard to what I have said, of going back and trying to listen to each other's views, to perhaps reach a verdict? It is very important. I don't want to say too much about it except that you can see that the case has been going for 6 days. It's a very serious case.
We have reached a point where you people have had the opportunity to consider the evidence in great depth. It would be unfortunate if I have to discharge you and send you away, and we would have to start this trial again in a few months' time with another jury, but if that's it, that's it. So can I ask you for a last discussion amongst yourselves to see is there any point in any further consideration, just another try to meet each other's point of view, or listen to each other and see if it's possible to reach a verdict which is a unanimous verdict of the 12 of you?
Let me put it another way: instead of trying to discuss it here in the presence of us, would you like to go up just for a last attempt to see whether common ground can be reached, and if the position is when you get in the jury room you come to the firm, final view, that's it, there's nothing that can be done, I will accept that, of course, but if there's any prospect that you can meet each other's views, discuss it calmly and objectively and come to a verdict, of course that's highly desirable. So could I ask you if you would just go back for a last look at it?
THE FOREMAN: Yes, we will try that, your Honour.
HIS HONOUR: All right, let's see what we can do, but I realise that there has to be a limit. I'm not suggesting that we can go - obviously it's already 20 to 10 - you can't go on all night, and I don't want to see people get upset and pushed into any sort of position. Each person has to retain his own conscience, his or hers. There is no doubt about that. Nobody is to be forced to compromise. Nobody is to be forced to accept the views of another if they do not agree with it, and that, I impress upon you. It's each person's personal conscience. Only if each one of you is satisfied beyond reasonable doubt in relation to a particular verdict can that verdict be reached.
So I don't want to distress any of you by asking you to go back, but let's just go back for a final look at it. If that's the end of it, then by all means tell the sheriff's officer, she can ring my associate, and we will come back and I will discharge you and we will start the trial again on another date. Do you need the exhibits again?
THE FOREMAN: No, we don't.
HIS HONOUR: No, there is no need for that, Madam Sheriff's Officer. I think we will just retire to the jury room for a short time and you can communicate with the sheriff's officer, who can communicate with my associate, and let me know the position. All right, thank you very much. I will adjourn pro tem and we will await your return one way or the other."