"In respect to the second charge of possessing property, namely bolt action .303 and lever action .410, they are reasonably suspected of being proceeds of crime. That relies on s.123 of the Confiscation Act 1997 and true enough that section comes within a division which is headed `money laundering'. This property is not money and has nothing to do with money laundering but, if one takes the plain meaning of the Act which says `a person must not receive, possess, conceal, dispose of or bring into Victoria any money or other property that may reasonably be suspected of being proceeds of crime, the offence is committed:' and it is a defence to a charge or an offence against sub-s.(1) that the defendant satisfies the court that the defendant had reasonable grounds for not suspecting the property referred to in the charge was proceeds of crime. The defendant, in this case, I have already found, has possessed goods which are reasonably suspected of being proceeds of crime. That suspicion is held by both the officers. The defence that he had reasonable grounds for not suspecting the property referred to in the charge has not been made out ..... . So, that defence is not open to the defendant or one that I don't accept from the defendant in terms of his satisfaction to the court (sic) and which takes us back to the other issue that is raised by the defendant in his defence, that the property must be proceeds of crime and to be proceeds of crime it must be property that is realised, directly or indirectly, by any person from the commission of an offence. The offence being the crime reasonably suspected. Now, if that crime reasonably suspected is there, proceeds means property derived directly or indirectly by any person from that offence. Now, it seems to me that if it is directly derived it is directly obtained from an offence and if derived means obtained then clearly the offence which was either the theft ..... then the property has been directly obtained as a result of that and I don't think the Act requires that there be some transformation of the property. Obviously, if that occurs, then the property is indirectly derived or obtained, but direct derivation is a direct obtaining of property from the commission of the offence. In the way the section is worded, in my view, would not preclude a situation where it is reasonably suspected that a gun has been stolen, that money has changed hands, that the property has come into the possession of the defendant, and then the defendant arrested by the police. The property that he has had is directly obtained through the theft ...."