[3] It is common ground that the parties discussed this loan for the first time in late 2005. There is an application for the loan, admittedly signed by the defendants, dated 22 December 2005. That was some weeks after a valuation of the proposed mortgage property was obtained on 7 November 2005. The value according to that was $800,000. But the defendants say that there was an application for a loan which preceded that valuation, and that it was signed when the plaintiff's representative, Mr Lunney, came to their house on 3 November 2005. Mr Lunney says that there was no earlier application signed. He agrees that he had contact with them prior to the valuation. But he says that the valuation was obtained first. Mr Cran was unable to explain why this particular factual issue was relevant to the outcome of the case. But if it be relevant, I prefer Mr Lunney's account. There is no apparent reason why the plaintiff would wish to make it appear that the application signed on 22 December was the first such application if that was not the case. Mr Cran did not say that there was something which would have been in the earlier application which in some way supported his case. As Mr Cran told Mr Lunney, the primary purpose for the proposed loan was to refinance an existing loan upon the defendants' house. The amount of that loan was $450,000. On Mr Cran's computer Mr Lunney was shown a website where there was a statement of the account for that existing loan. That was printed and as appears from the document, this was done on 22 December. Mr Lunney was concerned to see the history of that loan and it is unlikely that he asked Mr Cran for this information on two occasions rather than simply on this occasion of 22 December.