Kay
29The next evidence of any complaint about the appellant's conduct occurred in 2003 at the time of the incident the subject of count 7. It is not disputed that Kay rang the appellant's wife at this time. Kay also locked herself in the caravan next to the house (I will refer to this incident of abuse as the caravan incident although there is no suggestion that it took place in the caravan.) There is no dispute that when the appellant's wife came home there was a disclosure of some kind made to the appellant's wife on this occasion, as to the appellant touching Kay. However, the versions given by Kay, on the one hand, and by the appellant and his wife differed markedly.
30At the voir dire hearing, when asked what she had told the appellant's wife on that occasion, Kay said "I don't remember. Just that Dad had touched me. Nothing other than that". At the trial, Kay said that she had told the appellant's wife that "dad had stuck his hand down my pants and had touched me"; that he had touched her vagina and that it was not the first time.
31Kay also said that, after that incident, there was a conversation with the appellant's wife as to whether Kay wanted the appellant to move out or if Kay wanted to move out and live with her older sister (Mary) and that the appellant's wife said that they could not tell anyone because the other foster children (by this stage, Kay's brother, Lisa and Lisa's sister) were too old to get new homes. The appellant's wife denied this. Kay also said that the appellant's wife promised her that it would never happen again to anyone and said "I'll make sure that it doesn't happen again ever".
32The version given by the appellant's wife, consistent with the version she gave to a psychiatrist later that year and with the version given by the appellant, was that Kay had said to her words to the effect that the appellant had taken a kitten out from underneath her shirt and had touched her breasts; that she was angry; and that she had questioned whether he had a right to do that. (That version of events was not wholly consistent with the version given later to the Department of Community Services (DOCS) caseworker to whom the incident was reported.)
33At trial, Kay denied that when this incident occurred she had had a cat or kitten down the front of her shirt; said that she did not think that she had had a cat or kitten in the room when the appellant came in; said that she did not like animals in her bed; said that she did not ever remember the appellant touching her breasts; and denied that she had told the appellant's wife that the appellant had touched her breasts as he was taking the cat away from her that she had down the front of her nightie.
34Later in 2003, the appellant and his wife took Kay to see a psychiatrist, Dr Rewais. The referral to Dr Rewais was provided by the appellant's doctor, Dr Smith. There was some doubt in the evidence as to how that referral had been procured. The appellant's wife, when giving evidence at the trial, was questioned by the Crown as to the circumstances in which that referral was made; in particular as to the answers given by the appellant's wife to the Court at a pre-trial hearing on 29 February 2012. The appellant's wife accepted, at trial, that at the pre-trial hearing she had said she was unable to recall the name of the "counsellor" and that she thought it was someone at Cronulla. It was not disputed that at all relevant times Dr Rewais' practice was based at Miranda.
35The appellant's wife denied that she had made the arrangements for Kay to see Dr Rewais, said that she was not aware who had; and said that she did not remember what she had told Kay and did not know at the time that her husband had been seeing Dr Smith in July and August 2003 (though she knew he was being treated by a doctor at that time. The appellant's wife also accepted that at the pre-trial hearing her evidence as to how she came to find the counsellor had been that she did not actually recall but that it could have been somebody whose name or information had been given during a DOCS meeting.
36According to Dr Rewais' notes, there were three consultations with him. The appellant's wife gave evidence, inconsistent (in this respect and others) with the psychiatrist's contemporaneous notes, that she had only attended in consultation with Kay once and that she had not spoken with Dr Rewais again until after he had concluded his discussions with Kay (though she said that Kay had attended Dr Rewais' office on a couple of other occasions).
37At the voir dire hearing, Kay said that when she saw the "counsellor" (Dr Rewais) she had "said not exactly what he had done to me, more like a watered down version, I guess to protect him" and that she had said "that he just touched my breasts, which weren't really breasts then". At trial, she admitted that she had given what she called a "watered down" version of the incident to the psychiatrist; said that what she had told Dr Rewais was a lie; and said that she had told him because that was what her mother had told her to do. Kay explained what she had meant by "watered down" was that she thought touching someone's breasts was less bad than touching someone's vagina.
38Dr Rewais' notes recorded that the appellant was present at that first consultation and that both the appellant and his wife became very upset and angry when he informed them that he would be obliged to make a formal notification of the incident to DOCS.
39Dr Rewais said that the appellant's wife had told him that she was "shattered"; that she felt betrayed; that she would not have sought help if she had known that this was going to happen; that it would rip the family apart; and that she had raised concerns as to her business (as a licensed childcare worker). Dr Rewais' notes recorded that Kay was very, very upset, scared and distressed and that she did not want to get the appellant and his wife into trouble; and that "Kay seemed to be under a great deal of pressure to minimise the significance of the alleged abuse". His recollection was that the appellant and his wife were pushing not to have the notification made and not to make "too much of an issue of that". He said in his evidence in court that Kay was already quite distressed before he had mentioned the notification to DOCS.
40Dr Rewais' impression at the time, from Kay's level of distress and how she was presenting, was that Kay did not feel that the incident was "an incidental situation". He was of the opinion that "something" had happened and he said that he had enough concern to make the notification to DOCS.
41Dr Rewais said that there was a suggestion at the time (he thought it would have been by the appellant's wife, as she had been doing most of the talking in the sessions) that the family would contact DOCS first and would then provide him with the contact details of someone at DOCS for the purposes of the notification; and that they did so. He later spoke with a DOCS caseworker (Ms McKenzie). He also wrote to the general practitioner who had referred Kay to him (Dr Smith) recording, inter alia, that the appellant had appeared "remorseful" at first but in subsequent appointments had become very angry. (The appellant denied having attended during the consultation for any of the subsequent appointments).
42At trial, the appellant's wife said that she did not recall telling Dr Rewais anything (his notes said that she said she was shattered); could not recall the conversation at all; did not recall that Dr Rewais had informed her and her husband that he would have to notify DOCS; denied that Dr Rewais had told them on the first visit that he would have to notify DOCS. Then, quite remarkably given the content of Dr Rewais' contemporaneous notes and the likely reaction that any such advice would be expected to cause, the appellant's wife said that at the final conversation Dr Rewais had said "I don't think that there is any particular problem here but I think that maybe we should speak with DOCS" and that perhaps she and Kay would like to go and speak to DOCS before he did. The version given by the appellant's wife is inconsistent with Dr Rewais' evidence that he considered that the disclosure gave rise to an obligation on his part to make the relevant notification.
43Significantly, when considering the credibility of the appellant's wife, she said at trial (inconsistently with Dr Rewais' contemporaneous notes) that she did not recall becoming quite angry in the consultation with Dr Rewais; did not recall raising her voice to him; did not recall that she had told him that she felt betrayed or that she would not have sought help if she had known that he was going to notify DOCS; did not tell him that it would rip the family apart; and did not express concerns about the ramifications for her business or about the other children in foster care with her at that time. She professed a complete lack of recollection about the conversation with Dr Rewais. She did not recall any meeting with Dr Rewais where her husband was present; did not recall being "very upset" though she did not deny that she "was upset at the suggestion that we should introduce DOCS into any procedure" and said that the reason for this was that "I just felt it didn't warrant what was suggested".
44The appellant's wife agreed at trial that she had contacted DOCS around that time and had made an appointment with somebody that she knew at DOCS. She said she could not recall who had suggested anything but added that her memory was that Dr Rewais had suggested that perhaps she should take Kay and have a talk with them.
45The DOCS caseworker to whom the appellant's wife spoke (Ms McKenzie) was at one stage a DOCS caseworker for Lisa (and someone with whom the appellant's wife said she had had previous dealings with other children who had been placed with her). The appellant's wife accepted that at the pre-trial hearing she had said that she and Kay had seen Dr Rewais in the morning and then had seen the DOCS person about lunchtime or early in the afternoon on the same day, but at trial she said that was not her recollection and she did not know when she had seen them.
46Kay's evidence was that the appellant's wife had written out on a piece of paper, in advance of the meeting, what she was to tell DOCS in relation to the incident (namely, "that Dad had touched my breasts and that he was just checking puberty-wise what was going on with my body and that I wasn't concerned about it at all; but that Dr Rewais had said that he had to report it" and that this was what she had said to the DOCS caseworker. The appellant's wife denied that she had written anything at all and the appellant denied having seen any such document.
47Ms McKenzie gave evidence of the interview with the appellant, his wife and Kay. Ms McKenzie thought that the appellant's wife had arranged the meeting but was not one hundred percent sure; other than that she knew that she had not arranged it herself. She thought that the appellant's wife had spoken first and said:
She said something like [the appellant] had touched [Kay] on the breast and, like, and got a surprise and said, "Oh, boobs," like it was a surprise that she was developing
...
my memory is that they almost made it sound like it was an accidental thing that happened.
48Ms McKenzie's recollection was that the appellant's wife had dominated the conversation. Ms McKenzie said that she then had a separate short interview with Kay and that Kay had said "it was a very minimal thing that happened ... she almost made it sound like it was an accidental thing. She was quite embarrassed". Ms McKenzie said that she asked Kay whether she was upset by it and that Kay said that she was not and that she asked Kay whether she wanted to take it any further and that Kay said she did not. Ms McKenzie spoke immediately with her supervisor and said that he had said that "from what [Kay] had told me that we really didn't have grounds to take it any further". Ms McKenzie could not recall any mention of a cat.
49Ms McKenzie was not aware of the fact that Kay had seen a psychiatrist in relation to this incident and was not informed that the appellant and his wife had obtained a referral from his doctor to take her to the psychiatrist in relation to the incident.
50Kay's evidence was that the first time that she communicated to anyone, other than the appellant's wife, what the appellant had done to her was in 2006 (on the same day that the appellant's wife witnessed the incident where the appellant had his hand on Lisa's breast). She said that this was a communication to Lisa that the appellant had "done the same thing" to her, but that she did not give Lisa any further details.
51As to what had occurred on that occasion, Kay recalled that one morning before school she had been told, by her brother and by Lisa's sister, that her parents were having a "massive fight". She said that the appellant's wife then took her aside and said "What happened to you happened to [Lisa]". Kay said that she "knew what that meant straightaway. She didn't have to explain to me at all". As it was not suggested that the appellant's wife had told Kay what she had actually witnessed, if this is the correct order of events this can only logically be understood as being that Kay made an assumption that what the appellant's wife was referring to as having happened to Lisa was touching of the kind that Kay alleges had happened to her (inappropriate touching or, to be more precise having regard to her evidence in connection with the trial, rubbing on the outside of her vagina).
52Kay said that she went to Lisa's room and said to her "The same thing happened to me" so that Lisa would know that she was not alone. Kay said that what she meant by that was that the appellant had abused her as well. She accepted that at that point she did not know specifically what had happened to Lisa. At some point later that day when she and Lisa were together, probably in a bedroom, Kay said that Lisa told her that the appellant had put his mouth on her breast and had asked if she liked it.
53Kay's evidence was that the appellant's wife told her that the appellant had said he was going to call the police but that she had asked him not to do so. The appellant's wife denied this.
54A few days after this, following an argument about an unrelated matter, Kay, Lisa and Lisa's sister went to Mary's place. Kay said that some of the foster children had decided to run away from home and she went with them. Kay's evidence was that when the appellant came to take them back home, she told Mary, in the presence of Lisa, that the appellant had molested both herself and Lisa. She said that she did not tell Mary the details and that Lisa said nothing. Mary in essence corroborated that evidence. So did Lisa, who said that this was the first time that she had heard the word "molested". The appellant said that he recalled an argument and that Kay had shouted something at him but could not recall what.
55Mary then asked two pastors from her church to come to the house but neither Kay nor Lisa made any disclosure to them about the alleged abuse.
56The children remained at Mary's place for a few days. There was a family meeting there, attended by the appellant, his wife, Mary, Paul, Nora, Kay and Lisa. I will refer in due course to the versions of what was said or discussed at this meeting. Relevantly, however, the appellant accepts that the topics for discussion included what was in the best interests of the children and that he had apologised for the matter having come to the stage of a family meeting.
57Among other things, Kay said that in the course of that meeting the appellant's wife said that if the children moved back home a big door would be put over a void in the staircase and locked at night so the appellant could not come up to the children's rooms in the evening. That evidence was consistent with the evidence given by Mary and Paul as to what occurred in the family meeting (i.e., the reference being made to locks being placed on the doors of the children's rooms) and by Lisa's evidence to the police, as well as the evidence of the appellant himself, to which I will refer shortly. The appellant's wife recalled some discussion about locks on doors but dismissed this as something that was not serious ("tongue in cheek").
58Tellingly, the discussion about putting locks on doors was part of discussion as to a family agreement as to what was to take place if the children were to return to the appellant's and his wife's home. The appellant referred to this as a discussion about "protocols", although later correspondence to DOCS referred to these as "structures". Further, the appellant recalled that one of the protocols was that he was not to go to the children's rooms and that his wife was to know where he was at all times. Such a protocol is not consistent with the appellant's wife's denial that any offences had been committed and it supports a conclusion that the family members had no trust in the appellant's conduct. It also supports a conclusion that Kay was truthful in her evidence that the incidents with Lisa were not the first occasion when the appellant had engaged in sexual abuse of this kind.
59The only other occasion on which there was reference to any discussion between Lisa and Kay as to the appellant's conduct towards Lisa, prior to the trial, was in evidence given by Kay during the voir dire hearing that, at a country musical festival in Tamworth, she had had a conversation with Lisa about the appellant's conduct. However, Kay said that this was not about what had happened; rather that Lisa had said that she was upset about it.
60Kay left home in about February 2009 for vocational training. She gave evidence that in about June 2009, before a trip she was taking to America, she had a conversation with the appellant in which he said that he was worried about what Lisa might say or do; that he was sorry for what he had done; that he had asked for God's forgiveness and believed he had been forgiven; and then asked for Kay's forgiveness. The appellant denied this conversation. The reference to supplication to God for forgiveness is relevant in light of the evidence that Kay was a person with religious faith. Indeed, she explained the delay in making complaint of the appellant's conduct to her having forgiven him. Further, the existence of concern on the part of the appellant as to disclosure by Lisa (though denied by him) would be consistent with Lisa's evidence that she had on various occasions held the appellant's conduct over him.