The conditions of custody
23 Because a submission was advanced concerning the trial judge's expectations as to the treatment of the applicant when he went into custody, it will be necessary to consider some of the evidence which was led at the sentence hearing.
24 At the sentencing hearing there was evidence from the Assistant Director of the Corrections Health Service, Dr. Roberts. In a written report, Dr. Roberts referred to the medical facilities which were available within the prison system to provide care to inmates. At paragraph 10 of her report, Dr. Roberts said that she had been asked to advise on how the applicant would be medically managed, if he were to be incarcerated. She had had, in order to ascertain his need for medical care, the opportunity to review the reports of Professor Erlich and other medical reports concerning the applicant.
25 In her report, Dr Roberts referred to the provision of health care by the Corrections Health Service. It provided she said, medical, nursing and allied health staff in correctional centres which had strong links with various area health services. In particular, she made reference to Long Bay Hospital and the availability of a cell at that hospital with handrails.
26 Her report referred to the access enjoyed by Long Bay Hospital patients to specialist medical outpatient services provided at the Medical Transit Centre at Long Bay, as well as access to full time general medical officers. She also referred to the particular skills displayed by medical officers in the Corrections Health Service. Dr Roberts said that a higher level of medical care was available if a patient was clinically assessed to require it at the Prince of Wales Hospital or at other hospital accident and emergency departments. She referred to the Prince of Wales Hospital as having available an intensive care unit or secure hospital facilities with seven hospital beds designated for inmates from correctional facilities. In paragraph 15 of her report she referred to the availability of the specialist medical services and the general skill and experience of Corrections Health Service staff who could manage patients with complex conditions in correctional centres other than the hospital, but who might need to be transferred to the hospital should their condition become acute.
27 Paragraphs 14 and 17 of her report read as follows:-
"14. If Mr. Keir was to be incarcerated, we would recommend he be admitted into B Ward where he can be medically assessed. In regards to the level of medical supervision he would require, Correction Health Service would make recommendations to the Department of Corrective Services (hereinafter referred to as DCS) in regard to appropriate accommodation and placement where appropriate medical services were available.
17. If Mr. Keir were to be incarcerated, his medications would be continued, his blood sugar levels would be monitored and specialist reviews would be arranged as appropriate."
28 Dr. Roberts gave evidence that she had not seen the applicant personally. She was asked whether persons with a high degree of shortness of breath would be kept permanently in the hospital at Long Bay. She said;-
"If the requirement is such, we can [do] that, but as a general rule we don't often require to do that."
29 She gave evidence of the general form of transport provided by the Department of Corrective Services. She said that it was possible for medical staff to make a recommendation to the Department to have special transport rather than prison vans provided on medical grounds.
30 Dr. Roberts, in re-examination, gave evidence of an opinion not based on a specific examination of the applicant but by reference to what appeared in Professor Erlich's report, that the applicant was at serious risk of losing his life wherever he was accommodated "at the moment in regard to his serious medical condition that he has". She went on, however, to say:-
"We have a high standard of medical care in our prison complex as well as the other surrounding complexes in the area. We have access to - I think I said this in the report already. We have a very experienced doctor who looks after the patients in the Long Bay Hospital with a 24 hour team of nurses there as well and they're very thorough in (sic) very used to looking after complex and chronic conditions and they assess the person's need, whether they need to stay in hospital or not, based on the medical indications at the time.
Q. And his medical conditions are conditions that can be managed within the prison system? A. I believe so.
Q. If I could just ask you to clarify your previous answer. When you said wherever he was accommodated previously, does that mean outside and inside prison or just inside prison? A. In regard to the question of serious risk of losing his life?
Q. Yes, you said wherever he was accommodated. I'm just trying to clarify what that meant? A. I think a 79 year old gentleman with chronic health conditions needs a lot of medical care, whether it be in the community, whether it be in custody. We would certainly seek to offer as high a standard as the community offers and in a lot of ways there's nurses there 24 hours a day in the prison hospital and in other centres, they're there for often extended periods of time as well, so there's contact on a daily basis to medical services in the community now that the services aren't on site. In some ways we said that when - not that I suggest you bring anyone into custody because of medical conditions but we really do have a high standard of watching people very carefully with chronic complex conditions and in some ways their access to services because they're actually on site and right there. In some ways it's sort of more immediate than it is in the community. Not that I'm suggesting that you'd bring somebody into custody for those - for medical reasons by any means."
31 In further cross-examination, by leave, appears the following:-
"BYRNE, Q: Doctor, do I take it from what you've just said in reference to 24 hour care and so on that you would consider that having regard to Professor Erlich's diagnosis of the medical condition of Mr. Keir, that he is a person who should be kept in the prison hospital? A. I'm unaware of Mr. Keir's current accommodation but I'm not aware of him being in 24 hour medical care at this present point in time from what the reports have indicated.
Q. Well having regard to the diagnosis that Professor Erlich has made of him, you would consider that if he were to be given a sentence of imprisonment he should be kept in the prison hospital? A. We have not examined him ourselves and I'm not sure whether Professor Erlich has a knowledge of the level of medical care available in all the facilities within correctional centres, so I think it is difficult for either of us to make that statement as a black and white statement.
Q. Well you've read Professor Erlich's report, and you've read that what he said was 'unless he were managed in the prison hospital he would be at serious risk of losing his life'? A. I've read that.
Q. You don't challenge that statement? A. I have not examined the gentleman so I can't really give a specific medical opinion in that regard.
Q. Well I suppose you would defer to the opinion of an expert who has examined the patient? A. Well I'm not sure that the expert knows of the full facilities available within our health system either, within the facilities that we have.
Q. It doesn't matter, with respect, what he knows about the prison facilities. What he says is that he needs to be managed in the prison hospital, whatever facilities they may provide? A. But if he makes that statement does he know what level of care there is in other facilities. I'm not sure - look I don't know, maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, I don't know.
Q. When would that diagnosis be made of him by medical people associated with the prison service? A. We would suggest that if he was brought into custody that he would be admitted to the B ward hospital, and our medical staff and nursing staff would make assessments in regard to the level of medical care that he requires and if it was appropriate for him to remain in the hospital, he would remain in the hospital. If it was appropriate for him to be accommodated in another part of the system that still had - if he come into custody he would need to be near medical services. We certainly would not be suggesting (it) be in any sort of distant gaol, distant from medical care if he did come into custody. We would be recommending he be near tertiary medical services and ready access to doctors, ready access to nurses but we would make that assessment at the Long Bay hospital and we would seek to, based on the documents we have plus any other documentation that we may be able to access from previous hospital admissions, previous doctors."
32 Thereafter, questions were put to the witness about a possible reduction in the number of beds available for the care of prisoners.
33 The sentencing judge enquired of counsel as to the significance that that topic might assume for sentencing purposes. During that discussion, reference was made to the unchallenged evidence of Professor Erlich to the effect that, were the applicant to be in prison, he would need constant care. There was also debate concerning the possibility that the Department would have an obligation to provide for him such hospital care as he might require.
34 Professor Erlich gave evidence that the applicant was cyanotic in court and that his respiratory function was worse as a result. He said:-
"WITNESS; I think the thing to consider in a person of his age - he's just about 80 - and he's got multiple problems. It's not any one condition, like his lungs or his heart. I think that in aged care the problem is the interaction of many pathologies, and this man has got many things wrong with him. He's (sic) lungs are the most spectacular bit but he has very poor balance, he can only walk a few steps, he's very likely to fall over, he bruises easily and if he falls over he's likely to have a big bleed into the bit that he injures. He is reasonably helpless. I mean he's just about at nursing home level I would say now. The reason why he can survive at home is because he has a wife who helps to put his socks on, put his shoes on and helps him walk about. If that were not available he would be in a nursing home. So I think that his level of function is poor generally.
BYRNE, Q: And the views that you have expressed about his likely prognosis if he were to be imprisoned have not changed in the light of the evidence that you've heard today? A. Well it depends on where he is imprisoned. I'm certain he would not survive in an ordinary prison. I think if he were in that B cell that is described in the doctor's report, if he were in a cell which is well equipped where he can be nursed constantly, where he can be helped with his clothing, where he can be accompanied to the toilet. If this were provided for the whole period of his imprisonment, then I think he would survive, but I think anything outside that place would not be tenable.
Q. That B cell that you refer to is the one that is equipped with handrails and so on? A. Well I'd have to see where the handrails are and if they are readily accessible and I'd really want to see what sort of floor service it is because he is at high risk of falling over. But in ideal conditions yes, I think he can live like that but I don't think he could survive outside that situation."
35 It was not suggested to Professor Erlich that his views ought not to be accepted. As the matter stood at the conclusion of his evidence, his view that the applicant should be detained in hospital for the entire period of his imprisonment in order to ensure his survival, was left unchallenged. The effect of Dr. Roberts' evidence was that, if the applicant needed it, he would be accommodated in the gaol hospital or transferred to Prince of Wales Hospital. In the event that he was not to be detained in the hospital, he would be kept close to medical facilities. However, there was no suggestion that he might be detained in maximum security with prisoners so classified and subjected to the inevitable stresses and attendant health effects that such conditions of confinement would cause. Nor would the evidence have led the trial judge to contemplate that the applicant might not be held in the gaol hospital, but might instead be held in maximum security.
36 In submissions to the sentencing judge, counsel appearing for the respondent submitted that:-
"It was clear from the evidence of Dr. Roberts, that while I think she agreed that Mr. Keir would be at serious risk of losing his life were he not medically managed by anyone wherever he was, that the provision of health care in the Corrections Health Service would be to a suitable level as per her evidence. It also has to be said in relation to that statement that was made by Professor Erlich of which so much as been made by the defence, your Honour that it is a statement that is phrased in Professor Erlich's report in the reverse, so to speak, in that it says, 'unless you are managed in the prison hospital he would be at serious risk of losing his life'. So, I think it has to be carefully understood that that's not a statement that Mr. Keir would be at serious risk of losing his life. But actually as professed in terms of unless he were managed in the prison hospital. In that sense, there is management available of people's medical conditions within the New South Wales prison system and your Honour has heard the evidence to that effect."
37 That submission embraced the proposition that the applicant would not be likely to be at serious risk of losing his life if he were held in the gaol hospital. It also suggested that the applicant would be able to have his life threatening conditions managed in the hospital.
38 Mr. Byrne of senior counsel submitted on behalf of the applicant that the applicant's poor health was a matter of great significance which would make a sentence of imprisonment for him a significantly more onerous experience than it would be for a person in relatively good health. Nevertheless that submission was made in the context that he would in fact be held in the gaol hospital.
39 There was nothing in the submissions suggesting that the views of Professor Erlich should not be accepted or that the applicant would not be accommodated in the gaol hospital, much less that he would be put in maximum security.
40 The sentencing judge was required to apply s.16A(1) of the Crimes Act 1914 provides that:-
"In determining the sentence to be passed, or the order to be made, in respect of any person for a federal offence, a court must impose a sentence or make an order that is of a severity appropriate in all the circumstances of the offence."
41 It was in that context that her Honour had regard in her Remarks on Sentence, to the evidence given by Professor Erlich. Her Honour accepted that the Professor had conceded that "if adequate medical facilities were provided to the offender, he was at no greater risk in custody than if he continued to live in the community". The sentencing judge noted the responsibility of the Department of Corrective Services to provide appropriate care and treatment for all prisoners including those who are ill. Having had regard to the report of Dr. Roberts, her Honour was satisfied that the Corrections Health Service would be able to meet that responsibility. We understand the sentencing judge to be there referring to the responsibility of the Department of Corrective Services to provide appropriate care and treatment throughout the whole of the term of a prisoner's incarceration, including of course for those prisoners who are very ill.
42 It was in the light of those observations that the sentencing judge concluded, notwithstanding the other subjective matters including the applicant's illness, that the objective gravity of the offences was such that no sentence other than a full time custodial sentence was appropriate. Her Honour also concluded that, it was not appropriate to deal with the matter by releasing the offender immediately, but that the period during which he would be required to serve his sentence in custody should be reduced to reflect his subjective circumstances.
43 In passing sentence, her Honour also recommended that the offender be taken directly to the Long Bay Hospital Ward B. She explained that recommendation in the following words "and by that I mean that special transport should be arranged for him of the type Dr. Roberts spoke of when she was giving evidence this morning".
44 As the matter was left before the sentencing judge and, in the light of her Honour's recommendations and directions, it appears to us that her Honour's expectation was that the applicant would be taken directly by appropriate transport from the court room to Long Bay Hospital where he would there be hospitalised and assessed. Furthermore it would appear that her Honour's expectation was that he would continue to be accommodated in that hospital or alternatively would be transferred to Prince of Wales Hospital for as long as his condition remained life threatening, even if that remained the situation for the whole period of his imprisonment. There is no basis for any suggestion that the sentencing judge contemplated the possibility that the applicant may be placed in maximum security, rather than in the hospital.