Evidence of Karyn Heatley
95 In September and October 1994 Karyn Heatley was residing with Roger Bissett in their home at Lethbridge Park.
96 She deposed (after refreshing her memory from her statement without objection) that on the afternoon of 1 October outside 7 Wayland Avenue, Lidcombe, she had a conversation in the presence of Roger Bissett, the appellant and Michael. Michael told her that Paul had been shot.
97 The appellant responded:
"I shot him, he bumped the gun, it went straight through your father's heart."
"We tied this bloke up, I was watching him, the next thing I looked up and this cunt had your father around the throat."
98 Karyn deposed that as the appellant said this, he placed his hands around his throat. The appellant then said:
"Dad said, very hoarsely, 'Shoot him, shoot him', so I shot and as I shot the bloke who had hold of him, turned and it went straight through your father's heart. … The bloke lunged at him like a football player and that, knocked the gun up and that's how your Dad got shot.
But don't worry, I shot the cunt in the head, I shot two of them in the head and the bloke that lunged at me, I kicked him in the face because he laid there crying like a dog, I put four bullets into his head." (T383-384)
99 Karyn further deposed that the group travelled to the apartment at Bondi and there, after the appellant was asked by Christine to describe what happened, the appellant said that Paul had the man in a headlock. He had shot him after Paul had asked him to. He had said that they had been looking for a balaclava but Paul couldn't find one.
100 Because of its importance we set out the following passage from Karyn's evidence in chief. At this stage the witness by leave (and still without objection) was referring to the written statement that she had made to the police:
"Q. Do you see par 8?
A. Yes.
Q. You told the police what had occurred after the accused and Michael had arrived at the Bondi flat, is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. Christine said something?
A. Yes, Christine said, 'What happened?' And Earl said, "Dad had the man in a headlock. Dad said to me to shoot him. I shot him the bullet passed through Dad's biceps and straight through the man's head and straight through your father. There was a lot more conversation and Earl gibbered on for quite some time, about 20 minutes or more. I cannot remember the exact words used by Earl, but he said words similar to, 'Right, it's like this, we're looking for a balaclava, trying to buy a balaclava, do you think Neddy could find a balaclava, we were driving around everywhere.' I interrupted and said, 'Earl, it's not a book, I don't want to know all this shit. I just want to know about the shot.' Earl said, 'Right, I've had the gun, we've gone in, tied a bloke up. I said, "No, Ned, do it this way", and tied his arms behind his back, put duct tape across his eyes and I'm covering him. Ned's gone out the back.' I interrupted him again ---
Q. You interrupted him and
A. And said, 'you had to think you were a cowboy. I won't say it again, it's not a fucking book, just get to the point.' Earl goes, 'Right, I've looked around and this cunt has got Neddy around the throat. Neddy's gone shoot him, so I shot him, he's moved and the bullet's hit your father. As I went to fire the gun this joker on the ground has tackled me'. I can't remember the exact words he used next but he said something like, 'That's when I pumped bullets into their heads and kicked that cunt in the face.'
At some stage during this conversation Earl said, 'I was holding your Dad, he turned grey in my arms and he said, "piss off". Your Dad was alive when I left.' During this conversation Earl sat at the dining table on a velour type of fabric chair. He was wearing a light coloured cotton shirt and today, just thinking back I cannot remember seeing any blood on his shirt and if his story was that he held my Dad in his arms, surely there would have been some blood on his shirt. He was also wearing grey blue flannel slacks. He had a navy blue pair of runners, made of nylon and suede. I do remember that Earl said, 'See the blood, that's where I kicked the cunt in the face.' When he said this he pointed to his runners and I could see what appeared to be blood on the instep of one of his runners. I only glanced at this because I don't like the sight of blood as it makes me sick." (T384-385)
101 Karyn's evidence continued:
"CROWN PROSECUTOR: Q. Do you see [paragraph 9 about one third of the page from the bottom, 'On the news they stated', do you see that?
A. Yes. 'On the news they stated two people were dead from head wounds, one man was in hospital with a wound to his left biceps. I asked Earl, "Was Dad a head shot"', Earl replied, "No." I said, "Did you shoot anyone else in the arm?" Earl said, "Well I'm not sure." Then he said, "No." I said, "So that could be Dad in hospital". He said, "Yes." And something else but I can't remember exactly what that was but it may have been "I hope so". After watching the news and of what Earl had told all of us I honestly believe there was some hope that my Dad was still alive. Christine and I then went to the phone box behind her flat in Edwards St and there Christine rang Hornsby Hospital and asked -"
Q. There was a conversation about whether your father was in hospital, whether he was a survivor from the shooting?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you go off to the flat after the phone call?
A. Yes.
What happened after that?
A. We went to the hospital." (T386)
102 And further:
"Q. Do you see paragraph 11?
A. 'When we got back to the flat we said to everyone "let's go to the hospital". Earl then said, "I need a shower and a change of clothes". I then said, "Stuff that Earl we haven't got time". But Earl insisted, Earl said, "I need something to get rid of the powder burns". So he took the cleaning agents from the kitchen to scrub his arms, one was the new Pine-O-Clean and the other was the pump spray Jiff. He took them into the bathroom and had his shower. He was in the shower for about fifteen minutes and when he finished he said, "I scrubbed my whole body". I could see that his arm was almost red raw. When he said this he was already dressed in a water melon coloured T shirt with a logo that read, "One Eyed Jacks Worm Farm Slimy Wheat Eat". This T shirt I gave him for Christmas last year and over the top of that he wore a red check flannelette shirt. His pants were grey slacks and this clothing that he put on he brought up with him when he arrived. He then asked, "Chrissie have you got some skin lotion?" I said, "There's Nivea in there". At this time he was out of the bathroom and standing in the lounge room. I can't remember who got him the Nivea but once he got it he rubbed it over his hands and arms and on his face and all through his hair.
(12) He then asked, "I need some bags to put my clothes in?" Someone got him white plastic shopping bags, into one of the bags went the shoes, into the other bags went the clothes he was wearing when he arrived that is mentioned above and pair of yellow dish washing gloves. Earl asked, "Can I have some more bags?" I went and got him two more bags and gave them to him and he put one each over the other bags. I can't remember what happened to the clothes, as I can only remember them being on the kitchen table after I had given Earl the extra bags. All of us then left for the hospital, this being Earl, Michael, Christine, Maher, Roger and myself'." (T387)
103 The group then went to the hospital and having made some enquiries they returned to the apartment at Bondi.
104 Karyn deposed that after they returned to the apartment, she had the following conversation with the appellant:
"A. Yes. (paragraph 15) I asked Earl, 'Where did you leave Dad'. He replied, 'Outside'. I said, 'Was Dad the only one outside?' Earl said, 'Yes'. I was then convinced that it was my father alive in Hornsby Hospital. Earl decided to clean the car out, he told us, there was brains (sic) all through it.' By this stage Earl was extremely paranoid. He took the dirty towel from the bathroom floor to clean the car out with, Michael, Roger, Maher and myself went downstairs with him to the carport under the unit in car space number 13. However Roger and Maher went back up. Michael and I stayed there. Anyway there was a conversation about microphones and policeman looking at him?
A. Yes, as I said before, I don't remember anything about microphones but I do remember that someone looked out the window and Earl made a comment about there being police or something like that because there are just all flats everywhere.
Q. Did you see the accused Earl Heatley clean the car with a towel?
A. Yes, I saw him wipe over the door with a towel.
Q. Did you say something to him about fishing?
A. Yes, I suggested that maybe he should go fishing.
Q. Do you remember what you said to him, see in your statement what you are reported as saying about halfway down the page?
A. Earl then got in the driver's seat and proceeded to clean the car with a towel.
Q. Do you see about halfway down page 7?
A. 'Earl, I have an idea, you should go fishing to calm down and plus the police may come here so'll (sic) you be gone'. He said, 'Yeah, I'll do that, it's a good night to go fishing'. Maher then came back downstairs and I asked Maher, 'Do you have any fishing gear?' Maher said, "yes". I then said, "Good because Earl is going to go fishing'. Earl then asked Maher, "Where can I buy some bait from?' Michael said, 'Try a servo'. Earl then got into the back seat of the car and started cleaning around there. It was getting late so Roger and I left understanding that Earl was to go fishing'.
Q. Why did you suggest to him to go fishing, do you remember?
A. Well, I just would have wanted him gone from us." (T389)
105 Karyn was also cross-examined at length. Her cross-examination extending for some 65 pages.
106 Karyn conceded in cross-examination that at the first trial (in which the jury was discharged) she had falsely stated before the jury that the statements which she made to the police implicating the appellant were false. When asked why she had lied in the earlier trial, the witness replied:
"I can't remember the points of conversation. He [meaning the appellant] denied telling them; Roger said he didn't hear a conversation; Christine won't talk about it and Michael said he didn't hear a confession. When I went to see him [referring to the appellant] he said, 'I didn't say anything like that to you'." (T398)
107 Purely for the sake of completion, we refer briefly to the evidence of Roger Bissett, Michael Heatley and Christine Heatley. As we have already made clear, the evidence of these witnesses is to be disregarded for the purpose of ground 11.