48 Similarly in R v Palu [2002] NSWCCA 381 at paras 39 to 42, and in R v Qutami [2001] NSWCCA 353 at paras 58-59 and 79, attention was drawn to the proper approach to be taken in relation to self serving statements appearing in experts reports, and to contentious areas of fact arising from pre-sentence reports.
49 There was a paucity of evidence from which the question whether the Applicant went into the premises, and personally threatened or struck anyone, could have been determined. The offenders were all wearing balaclavas or hoods and could not be identified. Moreover, there was not complete agreement between the various witnesses as to how many offenders were seen or heard. No doubt that was due to the haste in which the offence was committed, the degree of violence involved, and the different locations in which the eyewitnesses found themselves.
50 It is not at all clear whether his Honour came to any firm conclusion in relation to this question, particularly in view of his observation that he was:
"not entirely confident that whether [the Applicant] entered the building or not would make any particularly significant difference or a difference of any description really in connection with the likely offence"
51 It was however submitted on the appeal that if the Applicant had not entered the premises and personally participated in the violence that was there displayed, then that should have been reflected in a finding that he was not as culpable objectively as the other offenders, leaving aside presumably Raha. Support for this submission was said to be found in the decisions of this Court in R v Nevermann (1989) 43 A Crim R 347 at 349 - 350, R v McCarroll [1999] NSWCCA 237 at para 16, and R v Donovan [2003] NSWCCA 324.
52 While there is a difference between the circumstances which are sufficient to render a person criminally liable for conduct that comes within joint enterprise principles, and that which establish the extent of such offender's culpability, inevitably this becomes a question of degree.
53 I am not persuaded that the submission advanced in this case has been made good. The first two decisions cited go little further than reinforcing the need for sentencing judges to make sufficient findings in relation to the objective criminality of the offender. Donovan involved a very different factual situation in which the offender's role was clearly subservient to that of the other offenders.
54 Of more relevance is the observation of Carruthers AJ (with whom Beazley JA and I agreed) in R v Hosche [2001] NSWCCA 317 at 18:
"18 Insofar as the factual matters are concerned, it is, in my view, sufficient to notice the fact that the criminal law has always looked with great disfavour upon robbery in company. If two persons agree to perform a joint criminal enterprise, such as in the instant case of robbery of an unarmed, innocent bystander, then it is inappropriate to attempt to assess with any degree of precision the role which each played in the consummation of the criminal enterprise. "
55 So far as counsel for the Applicant advanced a submission to this Court that he should have been sentenced on the basis that he did not enter the premises, and in fact lost his nerve and withdrew once he heard gunshots, I would reject that submission.
56 In the absence of sufficient evidence the question remained one that could not be resolved in a way that went either to increase, or to decrease the sentence that was to be imposed. The case was one for which the observations of the majority of the High Court (Gleeson CJ, McHugh, Gummow and Hayne JJ) in Weininger v The Queen (2003) 140 A Crim R 184 were appropriate:
"…Framing the question in terms of the onus and standard of proof may suggest that all disputed issues of fact related to sentencing must be resolved for or against the offender. That is not so. As was recognised in Olbrich , some disputed issues of fact cannot be resolved in a way that goes either to increase or to decrease the sentence that is to be imposed. There may be issues which the material available to the sentencing judge will not permit the judge to resolve in that way.
…
As the majority pointed out in Olbrich at [278] prosecuting authorities and a sentencing judge will often have only the most limited and imperfect information about how it was that the accused came to commit the offence for which he or she is to be sentenced. Although s 16A(2)(a) requires a sentencing judge to take account of the nature and circumstances of the offence, that requirement is not absolute. They are to be taken into account only to the extent that they are relevant and known to the court. The sentencing judge may not be able to make findings about all matters that may go to describe those circumstances. In particular, an offender may urge a particular view of the nature and circumstances of the offence, favourable to the offender. The sentencing judge may be unpersuaded that the view urged is, more probably than not, an accurate view of the circumstances. In such a case, it is not correct that the judge is bound to sentence the offender on that favourable basis, unless the prosecution proves the contrary beyond reasonable doubt at [280]. Accordingly, in the particular facts of Olbrich , where the offender asserted that he was no more than a courier of the drugs, but the sentencing judge disbelieved him, it was neither necessary nor appropriate to sentence him on the basis that he was a courier."
57 What was decisive in this case, for sentencing purposes, was the nature of the enterprise to which the Applicant lent himself.
58 On any view, this was a well planned and organised criminal activity in which threats, and the use of weapons, to overcome any resistance that was offered by the persons inside the premises, who were also likely to have weapons in their possession, albeit for lawful purposes, was inherent.
59 The Applicant was centrally involved in it. He accompanied his co-offenders to the scene, in circumstances where it was known that they were armed with loaded weapons and a jemmy bar, which they were prepared to use to overcome resistance. He was the offender who was receiving and passing on instructions at the scene, and he assisted the co-offenders to burst into the room in circumstances where it was known, from a communication from Raha, that there were at least five persons inside. It was he who gave instructions to the driver of the get away vehicle, and it was he who reported to Raha about the presence of police. He assumed responsibility for the subsequent attempts to dispose of the weapons that had been stolen.
60 His role was hardly that of a bit player, on the fringes of the enterprise, as any reasonable view of the intercepted conversations shows. Rather he was the coordinator of what occurred at the scene and his culpability was equally as great as the others who were there.
61 The present case is accordingly not one where his objective criminality could be reduced by the circumstance, if it be the case, that he did not personally step past the front door, or directly threaten any person, or discharge a weapon. This ground is without substance.