"MS STRONG: Coming to paragraph 5 where you refer to the
set of 20 samples being sent; you said a moment ago that
when you received the samples you undertook some kind of
assessment of them; what did you do?---Virtually, the only
thing we did is take the leads from the units mainly; we
examined virtually just the top of the units. We made sure
there was identifying logos throughout the inside circuitry
not inside circuitry, the logo on the chips covers. We ---
And if perhaps you could have a look at the mother board of
the SPICA unit as you are describing what you did when you
took the top off the console; what did you see when you
took the top off?---We saw two large units, we assumed them
to be one obviously a processor, one a peripheral unit of
some order. They were both---
Peripheral processing unit is commonly referred to as what,
Mr Latin?---It is called a - referred to a picture
processing unit, but---
Yes, or in initials?---a PPU.
Yes; and are the markings that you see on that example of
the SPICA set the same as those you saw back in 1989?---
Exactly identical.
Yes; and what markings do you see on the CPU there?---
UA6527.
And what does UA mean to you?---Made by UMC.
And is there any other mark on it to identify it as being
made by UMC?---There is a world-map symbol which is just a
circle with a grid on it, and that signifies the UMC symbol.
HIS HONOUR: That is their logo, is it?---Yes, it is.
MS STRONG: And were you familiar with that logo at that
time?---Yes, I am.
Yes; and were you familiar with UMC at that time?---Yes, I
was.
And what did you know about it?---Well, I know they were one
of the biggest companies of chip manufacturers in Taiwan
sponsored by the Taiwanese Government.
Yes; and did you have any personal knowledge of UMC?---On
not personal knowledge, but indirect knowledge of their
existence.
Yes; had you been to Taiwan?---Yes, I have.
Yes; and had you had any contact with UMC there?---Yes, I
have.
Yes; what was that?---Mainly a discussion with some of the
people in Taiwan regarding the manufacturing and process
controls.
Right; now, when you saw the marking - well, immediately
when you saw the two chips were you able to identify which
was the CPU and which was the PPU?---To be honest, not
straight off at first.
Why was that?---Mainly because we knew that the 6538 and the
6527 obviously one had to be a processor and one had to be
some kind of a peripheral to it, but at the time circuit
layouts of the actual mother board were not given to us.
The only way we have managed to sort of have a look at these
units at a later date was when we have actually purchased
the units, which was a large order, they have actually
labelled them 'PPU' and 'CPU' on the actual mother board.
That was not there in the original 20 unsolicited samples.
And I may have taken you too quickly - I asked you questions
about the identifying marks on the CPU; what about the
identifying marks on what you came to understand was the
PPU; were there any?---Identifying marks on the unsolicited
samples or the order itself?
On the unsolicited samples that you investigated?---No.
I mean, a marking on the casing of the PPU?---On the casing
of the PPU? Oh, I am sorry, you are talking about the chip
number which is UA6527, yes.
Is 6527 though, the CPU?---CPU.
Yes; and was there a similar marking on the PPU?---6538.
Right; and did it have any other form of identifying mark
on it?---No.
Did it have a prefix?---UA6538.
Yes; and UA, you told us earlier, was the identifying---
?---UMC.
Yes; and did it also have a world symbol?---Yes, it did.
Right; was there anything about the marking of either the
CPU or the PPU when you first examined the sample set that
caused you any alarm?---No.
Were you familiar with the 65 range of chips?---Very
familiar with the 6500.
And what did you know about them?---I knew that the 6500
series of chips were mainly processors of some sort. They
varied from specification to specification. I was very
aware of the 6502 at the time, which was just an 8-bit
processor with 16-bit address lines. I came to the
deduction that obviously I was looking at a processor of
some sort which would have been an 8-bit processor with
16-bit address lines, that is about as far as it went.
Were you at all concerned over any area of intellectual
property protection for the SPICA unit?---This is one of the
areas that you can - for example, the first thing you do in
a case like this, you make sure that the chips are labelled
by some sort of manufacturer, and that they have got a
replacement coded part. What happens is, if the numbers are
scrubbed from the top or if you have got no identifying
mark, then you know that you might have a problem with a
particular unit. These were clearly labelled in all cases
and of course, replacement parts were available for them.
Yes; but were there other aspects about the protection for
the SPICA unit itself that concerned you when you were
looking at it first of all?---No."