Now, he's been charged, as you know, with murdering his father?---(No audible response)
In your opinion, is he able to understand the nature of the charge of murder?---He - yes, okay. Let's say that - if the understanding the charge means his ability to defend himself or his ability to explain himself, then the answer is no.
HIS HONOUR: I think the question, though, is just the bare concept of understanding he's been charged with murder, is the unlawful killing - - -?---Your Honour, one of the issue is that his understanding is very, very concrete. I have, in fact, in my - that when I saw him at remand centre his understanding was that, "I have murdered my father and now I should be hanged. If not hanged, I'll have to kill myself." So it's a very concrete understanding. He is not understanding anything more than that and I, having stated this direct sort of logic that he has, it may be up to your Honour to interpret whether he does or does not understand. In my view, I don't think he understands it properly.
MR PURNELL: Now, in the record of interview at 206 this issue was addressed. Could you just turn up this question and answer? He's asked, "Why is that?" and he gives this answer:
"Why should I? It's a murder. It's a pure and simple murder. There's no excuse. I've had enough of Father. That was the end of it. I wasn't going to tolerate him for as long as I could."
Now, in the context of that answer, does he understand the nature of the charge of murder?---I have some difficulty in saying yes unless - I answer this question no. I do not believe that at a broader, larger level - - -
Sorry, at the - - - ?---At a larger, broader level, in broad concept of - he understands what it's all about.
When you watch the record of interview on the tape, you see somebody that is asked a question and gives a response. You see on occasions what might be an inadequate response, on other occasions an inappropriate response by laughing in referring to killing his father. But there seems to be, to the unobserved or impartial observer, if I put it that way, an understanding of what's being asked of him - - -?---Okay, let's try to answer it.
- - - in relation to the responses that he gives?---He has a very narrow, very narrow cognitive understanding, very narrow. Not a broader understanding.
All right. Can I ask you some more questions which relate to this question of whether he's unfit to plead by reference to the tests in the Act? Whether he cannot enter a plea to the charge and exercise the right to challenge jurors or the jury, would he be able - - -?---No.
Would he understand that the proceeding is an inquiry about whether he committed the offence?---He would perhaps understand that.
Would he be able to follow the course of the proceeding, that is, follow the trial?---No.
Would he understand the substantial effect of any evidence that may be given in support of the prosecution?---No.
Would he understand what you're talking about?---No.
Would he be able to give instructions to me?---No.
Or any other lawyer, perhaps, to make it a bit wider?---No.