[3] Smith gave evidence that at 10.27 am he saw Rodgers and Dowling enter the section between the two sites and move to the western plot. Rodgers was carrying a knapsack and appeared to have something silver in a gun style holster on his right hip. Rodgers and Dowling weeded around the plants and removed some small cannabis plants. Ross then joined them. They were all talking but he could not hear the conversation. Ross and Rodgers went to the water tank area where they seemed to fill their water bottles; they moved into the eastern plantation, each carrying a mattock. Rodgers said that they would have to attack the lantana and Ross agreed, commenting that the lantana soaked up all the water for the "pot". Ross then hit the lantana and other shrubs around the boundary of the eastern plantation with a mattock. Dowling took over the mattocking whilst Ross collected broken branches and threw them aside. Rodgers moved towards the eastern side of the eastern plot, just a few metres from Smith's hiding place. Smith was forced to lie back to prevent his discovery and lost sight of Ross and Dowling for a time. He could still see Rodgers whom he heard say, "Do you know this is not the only one I've got. You drive along these fucking tracks and look for a dead tree. You follow the dead tree along the track and it'll lead you straight to the stuff." Ross responded, "Bullshit." Rodgers said, "No bullshit." Later, Rodgers and Ross were discussing worms and Rodgers said the soil was great for the pot. Ross said, "It's great for fishing. ... Fishing and growing pot, nothing gets better than this." Rodgers told Ross that he needed to extend one area by 50 yards because it was too difficult to dig uphill and undesirable to extend the plot downhill; Ross agreed that this was the best course. Rodgers also complained to Ross that the rocks affected the pot and Ross agreed there were a lot of rocks. Rodgers complained about the hot work, grumbling, "There must be an easier way to grow the stuff" and "All these rocks don't do your arms much good". Smith saw Rodgers push down a dead tree. Rodgers was wearing leather gloves and Smith saw that the silver object in the holster was a semi-automatic pistol. Rodgers, Dowling and Ross continued clearing and mattocking the areas for some time. Smith was periodically able to overhear conversations. Rodgers threw some cleared shrubbery in the direction of Smith, stopped and stared at his hiding place. Smith believed he had been discovered and when he saw Rodgers reach for his pistol, he jumped up. He was wearing police issue overalls, and yelled, "Police", drew his pistol and aimed it at Rodgers, saying, "Don't fucking do it, Billy." Rodgers aimed his gun, which had a bullet in its barrel, at Smith before dropping it. Dowling had a mattock in his hand and Ross a white plastic bag at his feet. Rodgers said, "We're down here looking for a horse." Smith directed them to the bottom of the plantation