"In a case where a defendant does not know if the person who was on his premises was in fact drunk he cannot be said to permit drunkenness."
5. Frankly, there is nothing surprising about this finding, nor am I satisfied that its effect has been replaced by the changes in the legislation. It is not a question of mens rea as such, it involves no more than construing the words of the legislation itself. The word "permit" used in s 125(1) giving the word its usual English meaning entails a person allowing some conduct. It involves a conscious rather than unconscious decision being made as to what has happened, is happening or perhaps even what might happen. In the circumstances in my view the meaning of the word "permit" in s 125(1) of the Act requires some degree of conscious thought being applied to the question of whether an intoxicated person had been, was then or even might be in the future on the said premises. If the licensee, whether individually or vicariously, was not aware of the existence of the intoxication on the premises, it follows that he could not be said to have permitted that intoxication.
6. But, and it is a crucial qualification, that is not the only way in which the offence can be proved under this section. The section provides for further ways of establishing that the licensee permitted intoxication. It is not to say that the word "permit" has a different meaning, all it means is that the aspect of knowledge required in s 125(1) with respect to the word is presumed or deemed to be present when certain conditions are met. It might literally be a fiction but that does not mean that the section is not effective.
7. The conditions referred to are set out in s 125(4). It needs to be understood that s 125(4) only applies where intoxication is detected, therefore the provision by no means covers the whole of the scope of potential liability dealt with under s 125(1). Section 125(1)(b) can have independent operation without any reference to s 125(4). To provide just one example, s 125(1)(b) might allege some future conscious permission being provided by the licensee with respect to intoxication on licensed premises. Be that as it may, it is obvious in this case that the police were relying on a finding of intoxication and that s 125(4) would be relevant. They established, I find, in each of the seven cases before the court that intoxicated persons were on the licensed premises and consequently the police were entitled to rely on the deeming provision in the subsection. In those circumstances the defendant was required to prove either that the steps set out in subs (4A) were taken or in accordance with subs (4) "all other reasonable steps to prevent intoxication on the licensed premises were taken".
8. The steps referred to in subs (4A) relate to what the licensee did (or perhaps more correctly should have done) after intoxication is detected on the premises. As the defendant correctly, in my view, submitted, none of these steps could actually be undertaken unless the licensee personally or vicariously was aware of the intoxication. But knowledge of the intoxication is not the only issue. At this point unless the steps set out in s 125(4A) are actually taken, then the offence in s 125(1)(b) is made out subject only to the defendant proving that he has taken all other reasonable steps to prevent intoxication. But whether or not the steps outlined in s 125(4A) are taken or not the defendant can still rely on s 125(4), that is, that he took all other reasonable steps to prevent intoxication. That defence does not require that the licensee had direct knowledge of the intoxication.
9. If it is accepted, as it must be in my view, that no matter what steps are taken it will never be possible to prevent some intoxication on a licensed premises. The real question is whether the steps taken to monitor the patrons in an attempt to ensure that intoxication does not occur, are all the reasonable steps that could be taken in the circumstances. In Rolf v Willis (1916) 21 CLR 152 Chief Justice Griffith put the matter in this way: